Is it wrong to listen to Nazi bands?

[ua1176]

re: LaVey and the Church of Satan...i mean....im not gonna defend Anton LaVey as any kind of brilliant philosopher. 'cause he's really not. and i tend to doubt that his daughter is a particularly inspired musician. but his Church of Satan has always been more about the worship of man/exaltation of free will than it is any sort of devil worship, ritual sacrifice, or blood drinking.

out of his 11 satanic laws of the earth or whatever, about 8 or 9 of them actually make pretty decent sense.

as far as the other stuff....most Nazi bands are musically retarded. same with most of the anti-christian bands. the vast majority of these musicians are more into their politics than their art, and it [censored] shows.

[FionnMac]

I don't want to hijack this thread but re: the channel 4 documntary last night on the Prussian Blue twins -
It was of course disturbing, but the slightly reassuring thing was that the girls did not seem totally comfortable with their mother's views and were obviously quite embarassed at times by them. So i do think there is some hope that they can move away from the whole white pride bollocks as they grow up, they stated a number of times that they did not want to be doing this their whole lives etc.

[bernie]

Given the agenda behind their tunes? No thanks. Giving money to that is giving money to their cause.

They must have just wonderful parents. Hopefully they won't be reproducing anymore. It's kinda sick to see 14 year olds singing and celebrating this crap.

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[luckyjimm]

Is it wrong to think about hate-[censored] them?

[TheDudeAbides]

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Is it wrong to think about hate-[censored] them?

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This is only acceptable if you're a minority. Preferably a visible one.

[Rushmore]

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although i dont know much about the band, im pretty sure joy division was a nazi thing an i would argue that almost everyone on here has heard a song or 2 of them.

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Yeah, that Ian Curtis was a regular, uh, Ian Stewart.

At least look into something just a tiny bit before you say you're "pretty sure" about something.

For anyone who doesn't know, Ian Curtis was the lead singer of Joy Division, and Ian Stewart was the lead singer of Skrewdriver.

If you don't know Skrewdriver, you probably don't have much genuine interest in this thread.

You might also look into Crass, Whitehouse, or maybe Rahowa. There is some--ahem--ambiguous subject matter involved.

Hell, throw the entire thread out and just read the works of Peter Sotos. This is probably directly on point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sotos

[luckyjimm]

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although i dont know much about the band, im pretty sure joy division was a nazi thing an i would argue that almost everyone on here has heard a song or 2 of them.

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Yeah, that Ian Curtis was a regular, uh, Ian Stewart.

At least look into something just a tiny bit before you say you're "pretty sure" about something.

For anyone who doesn't know, Ian Curtis was the lead singer of Joy Division, and Ian Stewart was the lead singer of Skrewdriver.

If you don't know Skrewdriver, you probably don't have much genuine interest in this thread.

You might also look into Crass, Whitehouse, or maybe Rahowa. There is some--ahem--ambiguous subject matter involved.

Hell, throw the entire thread out and just read the works of Peter Sotos. This is probably directly on point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sotos

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Joy Division, if nothing else, were an example of punk/post-punk bands using a little Nazi imagery, even if in their case it went no further than their name.

As I've said, let's move the discussion away from bands coming out of or affiliated with white supremacist groups and towards non-affiliated bands, such as Death in June and Current 93, who make use of Nazi/extremist imagery in ambiguous, troubling ways. Because no-one here is arguing in favour of listening to Skewdriver.

[Blarg]

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As long as you're listening to them for free and they don't receive a dime, and you're not sharing this music with any impressionable people, sure why not.

Btw, Consolidated rocked! Talked to those guys after a few shows, I liked them in thier earlier days before they became so anti-meat. Still, good music and cool folks.

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Yes, they had some good songs. The anti-gun one was great. You Suck (with the Yeastie Girls) was funny. But they were SO extreme in their politics - hard hard hard left.

Not the best example but I remember the intro to one of their songs was a woman saying "If a woman wants an abortion, for any reason, that's a good enough reason." Even as a very liberal 16 year old I found myself thinking "Hang on a minute..."

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You count that as very liberal?

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Yes - the speech on the song was meaning "if a woman wants an abortion - just as she might want a Coca Cola - that's reason enough for her to have one." Of course, I'm in favour of abortion being available as a last resort where necessary. But not as a substitute for contraception, not used without thought, without being aware that it's a weighty thing to do. Not used as a consumer choice.

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That's fine, though hardly anywhere near the cutting edge of being liberal.

[bisonbison]

You know what, Stuart, I LIKE YOU. You're not like the other
people, here, in the trailer park.

Oh, don't go get me wrong. They're fine people, they're
good Americans. But they're content to sit back, maybe
watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57, maybe kick
back a cool, Coors 16-ouncer. They're good, fine people,
Stuart. But they don't know ... what the queers are doing
to the soil!

You know that Jonny Wurster kid, the kid that delivers papers
in the neighborhood. He's a foreign kid. Some of the neighbors
say he smokes crack, but I don't believe it.

Anyway, for his tenth birthday, all he wanted was a Burrow Owl.
Kept bugging his old man. "Dad, get me a burrow owl. I'll never
ask for anything else as long as I live." So the guy
breaks down and buys him a burrow owl.

Anyway, 10:30, the other night, I go out in my yard, and there's
the Wurster kid, looking up in the tree. I say, "What are
you looking for?" He says "I'm looking for my burrow owl."
I say, "Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick. Everybody knows
the burrow owl lives. In a hole. In the ground. Why the hell do you
think they call it a burrow owl, anyway?" Now Stuart, do you
think a kid like that is going to know what the queers are
doing to the soil?

I first became aware of this about ten years ago, the summer
my oldest boy, Bill Jr. died. You know that carnival comes into
town every year? Well this year they came through with a ride
called The Mixer. The man said, "Keep your head, and arms, inside
the Mixer at all times." But Bill Jr, he was a DAAAREDEVIL, just
like his old man. He was leaning out saying "Hey everybody,
Look at me! Look at me!" Pow! He was decapitated! They found
his head over by the snow cone concession.

A few days after that, I open up the mail. And there's a pamphlet
in there. From Pueblo, Colorado, and it's addressed to Bill, Jr.
And it's entitled, "Do you know what the queers are doing to our
soil?"

Now, Stuart, if you look at the soil around any large US city,
there's a big undeground homosexual population. Des Moines, Iowa,
for an example. Look at the soil around Des Moines, Stuart.
You can't build on it; you can't grow anything in it. The government
says it's due to poor farming. But I know what's really going on,
Stuart. I know it's the queers. They're in it with the aliens.
They're building landing strips for gay Martians, I swear to
God.

You know what, Stuart, I like you. You're not like the other
people, here in this trailer park.

[Georgia Avenue]

You walk the thinnest line Bison.