The TSA and a Dead White Lady

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why couldn't someone PM me or something telling me PLOlover was a nutcase? could save me some time ty for nothing guys

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He's taking up the slack now the Nielsio is no longer permitted to post here.

[PLOlover]

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He's taking up the slack now the Nielsio is no longer permitted to post here.

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The main point is that alex jones and people like him exemplify the american spirit and should be respected, *even if* you disagree with him about specific opinion issues like 911. Perhaps 911 was simply a one off that the politicians then used to ram through their social reforms (wiretapping, police state, etc.).

It's still good to question and distrust authority. that's the main thing. when you lose that ability then you have truly lost your freedom.

ok that was my best Nielso imitation.

[PLOlover]

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Its actually very easy to argue with that. We know exactly what happened on 9-11 as outlined in the 9-11 Commission report. The investigation you are requesting has been done by dozens of organizations.

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most of the families of the 911 dead would disagree with that statement. otoh, maybe they are just pissed because bush and co wouldn't let them sue the saudis.

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The 19 hijackers didn't have to be let in on visas had our laws been different and less liberal. Instead of subjecting everyone to searches and mistreatment, if we simply didn't let in many people of questionable or suspicious background, we wouldn't have had that problem on 9/11, and average Americans today wouldn't be subjected to ridiculously time-consuming and irritating waits and procedures. But the liberal tenet of non-discrimination is so engrained in the American psyche, that the notion of profiled refusals for visas stands as so repugnant that it won't even be contemplated by those in positions of authority to make policy. Better everyone should suffer than risk violating the liberal mantra of absolute non-discrimination no matter what.

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I've flown 8 times since 9/11... I haven't found any of them to be time-consuming or irritating. SAC, LAX, Vegas, Tucson, and some small airports... all of them took less than 30 minutes. But yeah, every white man should bet allowed to show up 5 minutes late for a flight while everyone else is subjected to cavity searches.

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your sample size is too small.

anyways, the daily searches of old ladies, children, and those dreaded white guys you hate, do not do any good, and waste everyone's time. period.

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I've flown perhaps once a month since 9/11 (60 round trips?) and have not had any major problems. I have managed to bring liquids not in a seperate ziplock bag (by mistake) twice and not been stopped. I'm not too sure they do anything at all. The longest wait I can remember in that time might have been 20 minutes and most times I have waited <10 minutes. I do fly out of Austin (a pretty small airport), so that might be some of it.

Obvious targeting of people is foolish as they will just avoid the profiles and send someone else to do the work.

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Yes. Obviously.

Fly out of Atlanta a few times.

Maybe I am lumping my delays, poor service, overzealous customs and government folks into the same category of incompetence. I don't know, maybe.

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I flew out of Atlanta once in this time (once in and out), and dozens of times through it (no security of coure).

I don't remember it taking more than 10 minutes as there was a huge row of x-ray machines. Some airports are clearly going to be worse than others, and perhaps your sample size is too small if you live in a city that has a screwy airport.

BTW- absolute best airport to fly out of for security was San Jose- print off ticket downstairs after getting dropped off at terminal, go upstairs, go to security line, 5 minutes.

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Personally, it's not "wasted time" that offends me most about the whole experience. It's the fully ingrained and accepted assumption that if I violate protocol in potentially the most innocuous of ways, I will be descended upon by hoards of armed government employees who just can't wait to justify the existence of their job.

So it's not the time, so much -- it's the sick environment of total control and immediate punishment for standing out.

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This is probably of little interest to anybody else, but it shows the god complex of some of these government types.

We are about to turn over a million and a half square feet of international concourse and terminal to our client. No one at this point, contractually (which is all that matters) has any claim to any part of the building but us. Liability issues and such. More than one person has been escorted off by the sheriff because of this. Anyways, this clown from the TSA comes waltzing in demanding access, keys, and codes to an entire floor.

Not asking, demanding.

As we begin to explain to him that the required paperwork had yet to be filed and that those spaces were not the clients, he starts yelling (paraphrasing somewhat)' "YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TOUGH MY JOB IS PROTECTING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC! I COULD BE CALLED INTO TESTIFY IN FRONT OF CONGRESS AT ANY MOMENT! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY AUTHORITY! and so on and so on. A complete caricature of what every big government hater (like myself) would ever think of idiots such as this guy. I casually mumble "Everybody's makes their own choices in life, pal" and leave the room.

These type of individuals and organizations are becoming more brazen everyday. Nearly out of control, at times, in my opinion. And I'm afraid it will only get worse. I have my own ideas on how to confront it, but those take the will of the public.

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This is precisely what I hate most about government-controlled environments.

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It's also scary, because it's a security risk. Filing the necessary paperwork isn't just going through the motions - security measures are in place for a reason, and if employees get in the habit of bending under the pressure of self-styled authorities, then social engineering will be a viable approach for malicious infiltrators.

[TomCollins]

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He's taking up the slack now the Nielsio is no longer permitted to post here.

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The main point is that alex jones and people like him exemplify the american spirit and should be respected, *even if* you disagree with him about specific opinion issues like 911. Perhaps 911 was simply a one off that the politicians then used to ram through their social reforms (wiretapping, police state, etc.).

It's still good to question and distrust authority. that's the main thing. when you lose that ability then you have truly lost your freedom.

ok that was my best Nielso imitation.

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I have no problem with Alex Jones spouting his stupidity. I'm sure he is right sometimes as well. However, he is very agenda driven and wrong enough times that its impossible to tell when something he says is true. This is why I will dismiss anything he says until I have evidence that it is true or it comes from a more reliable source. Just like if you complain about a police brutality, I will be extremely skeptical of it since you have lost your credibility on the issue.

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Sorry man, I guess we assumed youd figure it out pretty quick.

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post your reasoning that I am a "nut case", and if it is sound I may agree with you and "check myself in". win-win.

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I was just ribbing you a little man, dont take it too hard. But the real point is (and has been pointed out since I made my post) is that citing Alex Jones isnt going to get you taken very seriously in this forum. Tom Collins probably put it most succinctly with his comment. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[PLOlover]

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However, he is very agenda driven and wrong enough times that its impossible to tell when something he says is true. This is why I will dismiss anything he says until I have evidence that it is true or it comes from a more reliable source. Just like if you complain about a police brutality, I will be extremely skeptical of it since you have lost your credibility on the issue.

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a) if alex jones is wrong so often, can point some of his errors out? maybe I am missing them?

b) how have I lost my credibility on police brutality?

c) btw, when I said the mother was on alex jones, I didn't mean he talked about her, I meant he interviewed her, and you could hear her side of the story direct.

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a) if alex jones is wrong so often, can point some of his errors out? maybe I am missing them?


[/ QUOTE ] 9/11, New World Order conspiracies. The guy has as much credibility as Coast to Coast AM.

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b) how have I lost my credibility on police brutality?

[/ QUOTE ] Intentionally leaving out details and misleading people about situations.

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c) btw, when I said the mother was on alex jones, I didn't mean he talked about her, I meant he interviewed her, and you could hear her side of the story direct.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm sure there was lots of tough questions asked to her too.