Mr. Gatorade’s Lies cost me over 70k at Full Tilt

[Josem]

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Since this post started please direct me to those who has similar issues to Beatme1. Link please

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You serious? Can't you just look at a listing of new posts in this forum?

However, since I have a few minutes to kill, I'm just scrolling through the most recently posted-in threads. I've only flicked through the first four pages of threads, so there are probably more.


People who have recently had disputes with Poker sites:

DarthHate v Party:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=11006351
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Exactly a month ago, a friend asked for 1.8k on stars. I said ok, pay me on party. he deposited using his g/fs card and sent me the money. I had already deposited 2k from my own credit card by that point. I withdrew 1k temporarily for rent and expenses. Next day my account is closed and support quoted "fraudulent activity" in the email....Do I have a leg to stand on to sue?

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Bagalya v Absolute:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=1#Post10352563
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Here is the history of my account.

1) When Neteller announced it would pull from Canada I decided to put my money to casinos and poker sites and keep it there until I decide on what ewallet I will use.
2) So I did it. Poker rooms used included AP. I did not have an account there at that time, so I opened it and deposited $2000 on April 8
3) On April 9 I transfered $250 to an AP account of a friend of mine for whom it was too late to use Neteller.
4) On Aptil 11 I opened a Click2pay account and deposited US$20 with it.
5) On April 17 cashed out US$1000 to Click2pay. Another US$700+ still remaining in my account
6) My playing activity was close to inexistent. I would say I only tested their software by playing some very low limit games.


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pokerpansie v FTP:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=2#Post10726922
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Yesterday I made the "huge" mistake of trading $50 bucks of UB monies for $50 bucks of FT monies with someone from this board. I come to find out after that the person I traded with is a "scammer". I wasn't scammed by him, rather our transaction went smoothly. Then i get an e mail from FT stating that my account has been suspended until i write back explaining my "relationship" with said player. I immediately wrote back explaining the situation and have not heard back in over 24 hours.

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(That one appears to be reaching a happy conclusion.


Abramovic v InterPoker:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=2#Post10934986
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I'm posting this because I'm fed up of being mucked around by these people. Cliff notes at the bottom. Opinions please.

I deposited $1000 on June 16 using a VISA debit card. The money went into my account, and I played a few hands to check everything was working. I lost $1.50 in about 10 hands I played, and logged off intending to start playing later in the day.

2 hours later I log on and can't access the cashier or play in the games. There is 'an error with the cashier'. I check my email. Nothing from InterPoker.

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horakpeti v FTP:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=3#Post10929700
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I was requesting a cashout of 480$,after 48 hours the money was not yet on my moneybookers account so I questioned them,and I've been told that this amount is so big that they have to check my account deeply. Funny.....
I made bigger cashouts in the past and there was no problem,so they have some unknown reason and don't even let me know.
Did someone ever had a same problem with fulltilt?


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Beatme's issue isn't even close to similar to any of those.

[je83]

what is Mr. Gatorade’s Full Tilt handle?

[MiamiCaine]

Apologies if this has been answered already, but I didn't read all the posts. Has FT contacted anyone about getting a share of the seized $$$ back or are they still sitting on the 70K?

[wheelz]

Hello xxx,

Thank you for following up with me.

We are still working on finalizing this procedure. Unfortunately I do not have an ETA for you, but rest assured it is a priority.

Thank you for your patience throughout this unfortunate situation. If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask.

Regards,

Jeremy E
Collusion Investigator
Full Tilt Poker Team

that was june 21st.

[darks]

I'm wondering did Beatme1 hire a lawyer and press them leagally? If she has a case, then she has nothing to worry about...isn't it so?
And, why didn't Mr.Gatorade take the chance to go HU live with her? Is he scared of something? I know i would if i would be so sure of the fact that she was using some sort of help...?

Br, darks

[Josem]

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If she has a case, then she has nothing to worry about...isn't it so?

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Obvious problems:
-legal action is expensive
-legal action is risky
-there are murky laws about this
-where the hell would they sue?

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And, why didn't Mr.Gatorade take the chance to go HU live with her? Is he scared of something? I know i would if i would be so sure of the fact that she was using some sort of help...?

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there are a number of other possibilities other than this.

[darks]

Well, this is pretty f... up. But i guess, they atleast have to present those hard evidence to her, she's intitled (at least) to that.
One fact is sure, why didn't she come back and post more. Or it has just been the end of everything? Id really like to know what is the end of everything, Beatme1 if you still read this thread, tell us where the issue stands, if there was any progress from your last response...

But it is scary, that they can just take your funds...on the other hand if she was using some kind of sofware, then she should be punished.
And they would sue in the country where the online poker room is registered! For 70k and for all pshycal problems that this issue caused, the legal action should justify it's cost.

Br, Darks

[Nicok7]

People should have a chance to defend themselves. Do we really trust the poker sites to confiscate funds without justification? If the person at fulltilt that makes the decision gets paid by the guy that keeps the seized funds, there is a big problem... DUCY?!

It's easy to justfy a hard stance on bots suspicion. Leaving 100s of bots out there is worst for poker than punishing a handful of people that *might* be innocent. But that's not justice. It might be legal, but it's not moral.

The sites, the poker community, they are supposed to be the good guys.

For people that say what can be done, there i a fair and practical solution. A panel of experts / 2+2er / trusted people in the industry should be created and presented with the evidence everytime this type of cases appear. This panel would be bound to secrecy and independent from the sites financially. This does not allow the defendant to know the evidences against him, but this guaranteed the decision has been made by an INDEPENDANT and EXPERT body.

[PokeReader]

I think an interesting point is that the response from Full Tilt said that if an investigation was inconculsive that they would close that account and ban the player. However, there response to the long investigation into the NL bots issue stated that it was inconclusive, and they would continue to follow up, however, they obviously did not close those accounts. This is just another problem with a lack of a clear and fair policy on the issue.

We cannot know for sure whether she played with a bot or not. But I think we need to press for a better policy for these investigations. It gives so much power to a player who chooses to accuses you of being a bot. I think there should be a committee, with very respected players on it, that will review evidence, and there needs to be an appeals process in which the player will have access to the type of evidence against them. For very sensitive evidence, you could set up a player advocate, you would have access to the full evidence, but not talk to the player about it. Frankly, especially in larger dollar confiscations, I think the process needs to learn toward the player. For larger bans, they could employ a couple retired judges that would act as a appeals panel. If the player is found guilty, they must pay for the process, but if not the site pays, which would probably insure better investigations.

In miliary tribunals with similar evidence rules to what we have now, but better with much more at stake, the Supreme Courts seems set to overrule their legality. I tend to believe that bot makers are aware of most of the problems with them. It would be better for the security people to focus on direct site security that would protect players that would not need to be disclosed to have a fair process.