Some Stuff About PUA (very long)

[El Diablo]

snaggle,

Could still do a good "get numbers" or similar bet in Vegas!

[snagglepuss]

naa, the best format for a pickup propbet would be like how many women in a week, weighted with a public poll of each woman's looks. so banging four 8's = 32 points, or like one 9, a 7.5, four 5's = 36.5 points, etc, with the minimum girl quality being a 6.

[FocusedOne]

Are there extra points awarded for the STDs acquired banging four random bishes in Vegas?

[bkholdem]

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naa, the best format for a pickup propbet would be like how many women in a week, weighted with a public poll of each woman's looks. so banging four 8's = 32 points, or like one 9, a 7.5, four 5's = 36.5 points, etc, with the minimum girl quality being a 6.

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That would be pretty sweet actually, kinda like a tourney if there were daily results posted of each person in the prob bet so you could keep track of the others score day by day.

The 1 week timeline would favor the ONS/ZNS specialist, a longer timelines would need to be in place to give a more sophistocated seductionist a level playing field.

(assuming only f* closes count)

[bkholdem]

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"That's another thing, when they ask what your drinking the confident reply is "Cranberry juice" or something non alcoholic and they realize this confident guy who is going around and approaching strangers and making converstation with them and looking to meet interesting and fun people is not even drinking alcohol."

Do other people agree with this. Id pretty much assume that this guy was a serial killer looking for his next victim.

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I thought that was a little strange too. If I was a chick and some guy told me he was drinking cranberry juice, I'd think he was uptight or tell him the gay bar was across the street.

Seriously, if being yourself is it, then making up sh*t like you would never have a few drinks in, *AHEM*, a bar of all places, doesn't seem on point.

Also, women like sex but don't want to look like sl*ts, and like to drink but don't want to look like drunks. So they need guys to play along. If you don't drink as much as they do, they start to feel like they look bad and they better stop having fun. And they know what all that drinking is supposed to lead to just as well as you do, so if you shut down their drinking by being a party pooper, you look like you disapprove of the whole party/get laid process.

Not to say you have to mirror them exactly, but cranberry juice? If a girl wants to party and maybe have some sex with someone she barely knows that night, she wants it with a guy who seems like he's not going to judge her for doing it. A guy with cranberry juice in a bar doesn't seem like he would give off that vibe, to me.

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But you are just going by some image you made up in your head about what I look like and what I act like and you don't know me.

If I am bringing the party to them, and making them have fun, and maybe sending out subtle sexual vibes, the cran is not very important my friend. I might be saying "cranberry juice" with words but I also might with my eyes, tone of voice, and body language subtly be suggesting something that is turning her on.

And if a woman really needs to be with a guy who drinks 8 drinks in order to let him f her, well my friend, I past those days by the age of 22.

Suppose you and your friend (who are both kinda drunk) are hitting on 2 chicks and I come into the mix. They ask and I say 'cran juice'. If you try to bust on me I"m gonna probably pwn you. What if I start making the chicks laugh and they start paying more attention to me than you, you think b/c you have a beer in your hand you have the advantage?

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It's not my image; I don't care what a guy does in a bar. I'm probably not looking at him long enough to notice. I'm talking about the appearance that might well give to women.

As to whether pwning some guy will give you an advantage over him, it obviously will, regardless of what anyone is doing in any way. Pretty much by definition.

Regarding being past certain kinds of days when 22, we're talking about getting laid. Those days aren't past. If a girl is coming on to a guy and doesn't like drinking alone, I see nothing wrong with making her comfortable. NLP techniques include mirroring and give it high regard.

When it comes to being yourself, there's more than that going on. There's also the girl, who wants to feel free to be herself. There's a lot to be said for being the guy who provides her the room and approval and acceptance to do just that. Women have fantasies too. Even if it's just for one night. Who says you can't be the one to provide them?

I think it falls short to always be focused on being yourself, even to the point of being artificially odd, which isn't really yourself anyway, and discounting that it takes two to tango. There's a lot of value in letting a woman feel comfortable to be herself. It takes a secure guy to do that and not feel threatened by it. It's not collapsing or being weak when you smooth into her groove. You can let the reins loose a bit and still be in plenty of control, probably more.

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I really have nothing to argue with you about. In my experience very few women got uptight with me not drinking alcohol. And like I said I am not anti drinking, but by not drinking I found it was easier to stay focused and goal directed.

I agree with what you say about validating females so they feel comfortable with themselves. I was not a sophistocated player. I got into the whole PUA thing backwards because I was a sex addict constantly fiending for a new woman. When I stumbled upon PUA I was curious and found that I had some things in common with the guys so I kinda blended in somewhat naturally. But I could never go head to head with a real suave player.

And to my detriment I would sometimes loose women by not 'smoothing into their groove' as you say. For the most part I was always seeking ONS's (or ZNS's lol like in the parking lot) so I would screen out the females that required 2 hours of attention in the night when I could not determine that they would even be open to a ONS after all that work. I almost always went for the quick kill and did not have a finesse game.

[JuntMonkey]

Back to shoes for a minute - are a good pair of black dressy-ish shoes okay with jeans? In the summer too?

[bdk3clash]

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Just dress nice, and in your style. wearing stupid hats to attract attention is retarded and makes me want to punch you.

http://thesartorialist.blogspot.com

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No visit to The Sartorialist is complete without a subsequent visit to Ugly Outfits New York.

[Alamo]

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Back to shoes for a minute - are a good pair of black dressy-ish shoes okay with jeans? In the summer too?

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Meh, go for low brown italian shoes, black/jeans is not a real good combo imho. Try and get the shoes with the low nose, hard to describe, but basically where the front of the foot is the shoe should have alow cut and be close to your toes.

Python leather boots when it is party time btw.

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

bk,
the reason i think its serial killerish is because i don't know why anyone would want to go to a bar if they weren't going to drink. Did you used to be an alcoholic? Are you the designated driver? Do you actually enjoy being around inebriated people when you are sober? I just don't see how this ever helps you, its like saying try to grow a big zit on the tip of your nose and then approach girls and they will be like "Wow, he has a big zit on his nose and he's still totally in control and confident".

"I really have nothing to argue with you about. In my experience very few women got uptight with me not drinking alcohol. And like I said I am not anti drinking, but by not drinking I found it was easier to stay focused and goal directed."

I thought you were implying that you drink cranberry juice on purpose to send out a vibe, not because you just don't feel like drinking alcohol.

[bkholdem]

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bk,
the reason i think its serial killerish is because i don't know why anyone would want to go to a bar if they weren't going to drink. Did you used to be an alcoholic? Are you the designated driver? Do you actually enjoy being around inebriated people when you are sober? I just don't see how this ever helps you, its like saying try to grow a big zit on the tip of your nose and then approach girls and they will be like "Wow, he has a big zit on his nose and he's still totally in control and confident".

"I really have nothing to argue with you about. In my experience very few women got uptight with me not drinking alcohol. And like I said I am not anti drinking, but by not drinking I found it was easier to stay focused and goal directed."

I thought you were implying that you drink cranberry juice on purpose to send out a vibe, not because you just don't feel like drinking alcohol.

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There is nothing in particular about 'cranberry juice' over any other non alcoholic drink. I just happen to like cranberry juice'. When most people go out to the bar they go to drink. I go to hunt and bag women. I don't want to be inebriated when doing so, I want to be sharp. Do you drink when you play poker?

When a woman asks what I am drinking, she really does not even care what I am drinking. She is showing interest in ME, she is using the setting of the bar and the fact that everyone is drinking something, and that I have a drink in my hand, as a way to start a converstaion with me.

If she has some sort of predjudice about men not drinking alcohol in a bar, and I can not get her over that/get past that within a minute, she is not for me because she is probably a bitch. [I have had a couple of nightmare ONS experiences, etc. and screening out bitches is a good think to do for ONS's IMO.] I am a stranger to her, she is going to pick a fight with me about what I am drinking??? lol This is good info for me to use to screen her out ASAP.

Some will have an inkling of why, as it is odd. "I came here to meet interesting women tonight, not to drink" and then I steer the convo somewhere else. All the while I am displaying confidence. I obvioulsy don't want to project that there is anything wrong with drinking, and I don't project that because I don't think that. I drink myself.

What I am drinking is really not a focal point of picking up a girl to have sex with me.

I don't know if I have addressed your concenrns adequately or not, please let me know.