FGators graph thread [modnote: read the end, it's even worse]

[Clayton]

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I watched your poker video and I play EXACTLY the same as you do. In fact I watched it two and three times and there was nothing startling or amazing...you just made hands when I miss.

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lol no you dont. I was playing psychotic and 32/26 in that video. overall i play like 27/22 these days.

your stats clearly show u play like 20/14 and really passive unless you hit a hand u want to commit ur stack with.

come on bro, if you're gonna at least argue with me, throw down some facts.

[MilkMan]

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Completely untrue and an outrageous and ridiculous claim. this is why I don't bother to take your advice and go elsewhere when I want to learn the game from people I actually respect (which like I said there are only like 8-10 I can think of on this site).

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we both know i am miles ahead of you, as well as everyone else who can actually win at 2/4

and yea, i couldnt really be more right in my aba claim. to assert otherwise is to say aba couldnt beat 1/2.

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I watched your poker video and I play EXACTLY the same as you do. In fact I watched it two and three times and there was nothing startling or amazing...you just made hands when I miss.

BINK

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this is why you don't have to have ever seen him play or know anything about his strategy to realise he is an awful poker player. his mental approach and reasoning skills are so far below average it's frightening.

[Gildwulf]

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oops, 1.6

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no, 1.2 is correct. He peaked around hand 400k.

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but according to him he is always on a downswing and running sik bahd

[Nologo]

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That was the beginning when I told you I was running close to normal and that EV graph seems to be incredibly overrated because look at how I lose hands, its a ton of suckouts but so many top set vs straights, set vs sets, etc.

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If you take just about anyones biggest losing hands, it'll include mostly hands where they played just fine and it's just a cooler, and this especially applies to nitty players like yourself. This isn't unusual, because guess what? When two people have big hands, they tend to play a big pot. Sometimes you're on the losing end of that. What everyone keeps telling you is that your biggest leak is how you play in tons of medium sized pots, not how you play your biggest pots. It's like the exact opposite of the Super System strategy, you lose so many small-medium pots, it fails to account for the higher than average amount of times you're getting in with the best of it, because you lose tons of value gainst anyone competent.

[fnord_too]

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oops, 1.6

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no, 1.2 is correct. He peaked around hand 400k.

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Speaking of which, I bet most people here would have said he was a winning player if he posted his stats at 400k. I doubt the winning period was just variance, he just introduced a leak into his game and is in too much denial to acknowledge it.

[fnord_too]

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oops, 1.6

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no, 1.2 is correct. He peaked around hand 400k.

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but according to him he is always on a downswing and running sik bahd

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That's only since he came to 2+2. He claims he was a winner before that. Obviously, stars uses these boards to decide who to boom stick and doom stick.

[Hornstar]

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I'd like to know (taking into consideration the tens hand was a mislick, and making a bad OOP call with J8dd and that guy is really bad who was villain and I felt like I could make some moves on him probably) how badly I played these hands because frankly unless I'm "delusional" they look pretty well played to me.

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Gators, From what I can see from those 20 hands you played them standard and the biggest losses were generally when someone hand a better hand and some suckouts. That is balanced by the times that you get paid off by people that have a lesser hand and/or suckout yourself than you in your biggest wins.

Getting to showdown and showing down the best/worst hand does not seem to be the problem. Your losses seem to stem from when you do not get to showdown and this means you are letting hands go that maybe you shouldn't and/or you are not getting enough value from your hands.

I base these opinions on the graphs posted and the hands referred to in this post and I am not trying to bash you, although your continued ignorance as to you skill level is rather annoying. It is just not statitically possible that you are running bad over 1.6 million hands and you have not improved. It should be apparent to you that you simply have to make changes to your game and reading posts my MSNL'ers and trying to copy their styles is not working for you. Get a coach. $150 an hour for 5 hours will probably help you win back all your losses and a whole lot more.

Again I say that I am not trying to bash you just stating what I see.

[Clayton]

Fgators I think you should really consider sticking with tournaments and continuing to play online poker. Even though you are a miserable 6max cash player, you've made $25k lifetime at PokerStars tournaments (dunno if you were backed at all).

If you concentrated your fetish of playing all day every day towards something you could win at (like tournaments), you could actually become rich.

[dragonystic]

[tarheeljks]

courtesy of squashington, just in case no one saw this.