*official 2007 red sox thread*

[NT!]

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tiger, you are citing all these 'good reasons' that are basically just based on AS game rules that aren't very good in the first place.

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They are good reasons in the context of the All-Star voting ballot records. Which shouldn't matter to anyone considering the AS game is a joke.

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well yeah obv. like i said it's not a major tragedy or anything. it's just kind of fatuous to be like, 'well that's a good reason because this arbitrary exhibition game with its silly rules unrelated to the actual quality of play or merits of players forces it to be that way.'

[zer0]

its in a national league park, so if ortiz isn't listed as a 1bman, he's the one off the ballot. would that be better?

[kyleb]

hooray someone spelled it out for sublime

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arroyo was basically a league average 5 starter

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lord no. his vorps:

2004: 27.7 (#26 in the AL SP's)
2005: 18.7 (#36)

he was young, with no reason to expect a decline any time soon

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he had good value because he's an innings eater, and he was better than i remember in '04 (maybe cause i liked BHK?), but his '05 season was more what i expected out of him going forward. 200ish league average innings (98 era+) who got hit hard by the yankees.

he was expendable, i guess. sometimes you gotta roll the dice.

[Scary_Tiger]

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arroyo was basically a league average 5 starter

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lord no. his vorps:

2004: 27.7 (#26 in the AL SP's)
2005: 18.7 (#36)

he was young, with no reason to expect a decline any time soon

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he had good value because he's an innings eater, and he was better than i remember in '04 (maybe cause i liked BHK?), but his '05 season was more what i expected out of him going forward. 200ish league average innings (98 era+) who got hit hard by the yankees.

he was expendable, i guess. sometimes you gotta roll the dice.

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There's no reason to expect he wouldn't continue to get hammered by the LHH heavy NYY. Arroyo is dominant versus right handers and quite a bit below average versus left handers.

Of course, Arroyo added a change up this spring and lefties are now hitting .208/.267/.273 so far this year which is why he's been an ace. When you knock 300 points off your LHH OPS against and keep your RHH OPS against steady at .600, you're going to not give up much.

[Scary_Tiger]

Hinske is 10-19 with 4 2B and 2 HR for a line of .526/.550/1.053 against Wang, think they find a way to get him in the lineup? Start in RF or 1B?

Drew hasn't faced Wang, Youks is 4-11 with a 2B and 5:0 BB:K for a line of .364/.563/.455.

Lowell has also done fine, despite a line of .200/.333/.267, he has drawn 3 walks to 0 strikeouts in 18 PA.

[gehrig]

pena really should be traded. his bat isn't good enough for him to be much of an asset as a starter. his defense is pretty bad. he's pretty fast for a corner OF which makes him better than he looks but hes one of the slowest CFs in the majors. i think this is his first arb year so hes gonna stop being cheap soon. even with an injury-prone starter in RF i dont think swapping pena and brandon moss costs too many runs. when we traded for him a lot of the value was in his zomg sammy sosa potential but that ship has kind of sailed. jim bowden hello are you there

[kyro]

ST,

I really don't think sitting Lowell/Youk/Drew for a guy who's had small sample size success against a good pitcher yet larger sample size struggles overall is a good idea. Maybe get him to pinch-hit for Mirabelli or something later in the game if the situation calls for it.

[34TheTruth34]

given their last 2 outings (albeit in non-save situations) anybody worried about Pap/Okie?

[Toro]

Well my suggestion to keep Taveras in the starting rotation over Wakefield when Lester is ready is looking better and better.