VH1's "The Pick up Artist"

[El Diablo]

brinks,

"ANY opinion based opener"

That is false. That has been a standard opener well before "PUA" existed as a term, and will continue to be good. It's simply a good way to start a conversation.

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brinks,

"ANY opinion based opener"

That is false. That has been a standard opener well before "PUA" existed as a term, and will continue to be good. It's simply a good way to start a conversation.

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Im not saying that they will never work again. What i meant was that any opinion based opener will now be viewed as suspect by any girls who is familiar with VH1's show. That is what i meant for all of those strategies/routines i listed. They will all be viewed as suspect.

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Examples: ANY opinion based opener, ESP routines, piles of classic negs, best friends test, and various kiss close gambits

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Wait, what?

I can sort of see how negs might become less effective. But I dunno, I don't have lots of experience with that stuff anyway.

However I just don't see this exchange happening:

me: "hey ladies, I need a quick opinion on something"
ladies: "go [censored] yourself you wannabe pua"

or

me: "hey you guys look like you're having a good time...are you best friends? You have all the same mannerisms"
them: "haha don't you try that pickup artist stuff on me. now buy me a drink - and no I won't buy you one first - and get the [censored] out of my face."

Girls love to give opinions on [censored]. They're also incredibly self-involved and if they can have any excuse to think/talk about the way they act then they'll do it.

As far as kiss closing gambits, that's just ridiculous. If a girl wants to kiss you and you say, "god you smell so good I'm trying so hard not to kiss you" she's going to kiss you, or tell you to kiss her, or something that leads to kissing, rather than having sirens go off in her head "omg he said he's trying not to kiss me that must be some of that mystery pua [censored] I saw on vh1!!"

Anyone with half a brain can see that the exact words themselves don't matter. All that's important is that (a) you actually talk to girls (b) you are interesting and (c) you make it clear that you're a good guy to be with. Now maybe somehow girls will catch on to PUA on a grand scale and will all of a sudden start going for incredibly pathetic losers because they think any guy who demonstrates value is being disingenuous, but somehow I don't quite see that happening.

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brinks,

"ANY opinion based opener"

That is false. That has been a standard opener well before "PUA" existed as a term, and will continue to be good. It's simply a good way to start a conversation.

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Im not saying that they will never work again. What i meant was that any opinion based opener will now be viewed as suspect by any girls who is familiar with VH1's show. That is what i meant for all of those strategies/routines i listed. They will all be viewed as suspect.

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Um, I don't know if you realize this, but if you approach a girl at a club then ANY opener is suspect. She already thinks you're just trying to get into her pants. That's where that whole disarming and comfort building stuff comes in.

[brinks]

You guys so dont get what i'm saying

The material that mystery advocates using on the show is now played out, and material that resembles it carries the stigma of pick up. As for openers in a club, it is true that all openers are suspect. However if a girl has seen the show and you open with one of the 5 openers that were overused on the show, she will know that you are just talking to her to get in her pants. She will shoot you down or call you out 90%+ of the time. In fact, i propose anyone who doesnt belive me to try asking a set with at least one girl who has seen the show: "I need a female opinion on something, do you consider kissing cheating?" BAM, instant blow out!

I have seen this happen to my wings and had it happen to me as well, without using canned mystery openers.

While i do agree with most of you that good pickup is about attitude, body language and a strong frame, the MM PUA blowout rates are on the rise as a result of Mystery revealing some of his routine stack.

I'm sure this wont change anyones mind, I just wanted to clarify my argument,

happy sarging

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You guys so dont get what i'm saying

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No, I get it, it's just stupid

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"I need a female opinion on something, do you believe that all dogs go to heaven?" BAM, instant blow out!

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"I need a female opinion on something, do you know what to do if a bear is staring you down?" BAM, instant blow out!

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"I need a female opinion on something, do you drink OJ with pulp or without?" BAM, instant blow out!

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"I need a female opinion on something, do you think smart cars are actually smart or kinda gay?" BAM, instant blow out!

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"I need a female opinion on something, do you it's okay to date a friend's ex?" BAM, instant blow out!

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"I need a female opinion on something, do you prefer the aisle seat or the window?" BAM, instant blow out!

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"I need a female opinion on something, do you think European styles are cool or should they leave it over there?" BAM, instant blow out!

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I mean, I don't do PUA of any sort of all, and I've never randomly walked up to a person and asked their opinion unless I actually wanted opinion, and I was able to come up with a bunch in a few minutes.

"Do you think that kissing is cheating" might get you in trouble now, but "do you think that..." will still work just fine.

[Poofler]

I agree just a little bit with brinks. Yes, literally any first sentence that starts with "I need a female opinion on something..." in a club was already perceived by a woman as your attempt to pick them up. It's just more original/interesting than "hey ladies" or "can I buy you a drink".

Girls who have seen the show will probably hear alarm bells if you use that precise intro language - and now you've ceased to be different. So, merely substituting what you need an opinion on probably isn't going to cut it. While the line may be blown out among those who know of the show, being different and interesting will never be blown out. And, "can I buy you a drink" unless you're a stud, will always be lame. Just find different openers, or reword the opinion one to not trip the VH1 PUA alarm. No big deal. Or, use the stuff from the show, and just deal with being called out probably not all that commonly for it.

[Thug Bubbles]

The most important reason he's wrong is that the audience for PUA is INCREDIBLY small. However, opinion based openers will only backfire if you use one verbatim from the show.

Asking somebody's opinion on something, as El D said, is just a natural way to start a conversation with somebody you don't know. So natural, that even if everybody saw the show it wouldn't cause you to have to stop usage. Besides, women are looking for guys to talk to them, so I'd imagine even in those very rare instances that you get called out it'll still leave something open for conversation.

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I do think you can simply substitute what you need an opinion on, but it's really quite easy to lace an opinion opener with some extra language before the actual question in order to mask it.

"Can I get you opinion on something?" becomes "Hey, I just need a minute here, I just got back from europe and brought back an Italian fedora that my buddies gave me tons of grief for..."

It's still going to be an opinion opener, but won't be as blunt as one that seems like it was ripped off of PUA.

[Poofler]

Agree completely, there's a lot of ways of asking/saying the same thing. I'm sure you'll get some women who call you out for the canned lines, and even some who'll call you out for something remotely resembling one of the canned lines. If anything has truly been blown out (amongst female viewers), it's probably a few of the responses after you've already opened a set. For example the "you haven't even brought me a drink" response if she touches you, etc.

[traz]

Guys, here's the reason why PUA opening techniques will still continue to work (and I'm not talking about any one specific line, of course those can get played out):

Girls want to talk to a guy who approaches them. Do you see? They want it! The trick is, it has to be an attractive and confident guy, not a schmuck.

If you give off negative vibes, she's going to look for excuses to shoot you down, and the easy one will be "pfff I saw that on TV".

BUT, if your body language and approach style is good, she's going to look for reasons to keep talking to you and she will completely gloss over the fact that she may or may not have heard that line before.

The worst that will happen is it will become a standard "poop test" from women, but if you pass the test things continue on normally from there