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#521
11-02-2007, 10:20 PM
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No, succeeding in medical school = demonstrating phenomenal recall. Succeeding in baseball = hitting the ball really hard. [/ QUOTE ] Ah, so succeeding in medical school can be achieved by anyone who is good at Jeopardy? You're telling me "Rainman" would succeed in medical school? [ QUOTE ] You treat recall like it isnt its own unique skill, and so you say "its not doing something you couldnt already do." Just because I learned something once does not mean I have a limitless ability to remember it. [/ QUOTE ] And taking caffeine doesn't give you limitless ability to remember it. It doesn't give you any capacity to remember it, even in your own studies, but gives you better concentration, etc, supposedly. [ QUOTE ] Improving THIS ability, the ability to remember it, to levels I couldnt otherwise achieve, is JUST LIKE STEROIDS. [/ QUOTE ] No, it isn't, not even in the same ballpark. They say that steroids don't make superstars, but that they will make an average player good, a good player great and a great player a superstar. Do you really believe that caffeine can make a B average student an A average student? 
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#522
11-02-2007, 10:30 PM
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At a miniscule level? None of the studies said anything about any miniscule level. They all said significant and well-known, words like that. [/ QUOTE ] Miniscule as in the results of the tests that are being taken. What does signficant mean in terms of tests? Does it mean getting a 1500 instead of a 1490 in the SAT or a 1500 instead of a 1000? My guess is the former. Recall isn't going to improve enough to become a significant difference in the test taking results, not to the extent that 10% benefits steroid users.
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#523
11-02-2007, 10:40 PM
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Your last line is all the white flag I needed, btw. Thats EXACTLY the point, they arent different at all, except one is legal and one isnt. This is why I bothered to STIPULATE THAT THEY AGREED THAT WAS IMMATERIAL. [/ QUOTE ] It's legal because it isn't that harmful, not any more than a cheeseburger daily at McDonalds. Steroids aren't used daily by users who don't want to get the physical benefits, while caffeine is used daily by people as part of their habitual routines. [ QUOTE ] Your argument reduces to "steroids should be banned because they are banned, caffeine should be allowed because it is allowed." [/ QUOTE ] No, it isn't. My argument is till that the benefit is not equivalent to the nature of the action. Caffeine benefits recall as you said, but it doesn't help you with things that you didn't know or understand in the first place. The effects that you place on caffeine are overestimated and the negatives are overestimated as well.
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#524
11-02-2007, 10:41 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm done for tonight...... [/ QUOTE ] I'd be done for the night as well if I were getting pwned as badly as you are... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] yeah this is 10times more ownage than anything redbean ever did, and redbean owned the [censored] out of some fools [/ QUOTE ] Ahh, so he's convinced you two that taking caffeine for tests is equivalent to taking steroids?
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#525
11-02-2007, 10:48 PM
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Also, strength and hand-eye coordination are two entirely different skills that allow you to hit a home run. What you are saying is that, since steroids only help with the strength aspect, they arent really doing anything you couldnt do otherwise merely by hitting the ball PERFECTLY SQUARE every single time by improving hand-eye coordination. So they dont really help. [/ QUOTE ] Obviously that doesn't make much sense. Both coordination and strength are extremely significant. I'm saying that the pre-test skills (studying to retain to memory, etc) are 100 times more important than the retention/test-taking aspect. The retention skills are important, but the variance between caffeine taking and not taking are small compared to the difference between steroid taking and non-taking.
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#526
11-02-2007, 11:37 PM
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Re: Bonds bitter over departure from Giants
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm done for tonight...... [/ QUOTE ] I'd be done for the night as well if I were getting pwned as badly as you are... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] yeah this is 10times more ownage than anything redbean ever did, and redbean owned the [censored] out of some fools [/ QUOTE ] Ahh, so he's convinced you two that taking caffeine for tests is equivalent to taking steroids? [/ QUOTE ] perhaps you should tell me exactly how many MPH steroids adds to a fastball or feet to every ball a hitter hits? since you seem caught up in the whole steroids is a massive gain(put some #s to it, not vague makes average good, good great type [censored]), caffiene is a minor one
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#527
11-02-2007, 11:42 PM
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RedBean, Why do you think that Greg Anderson (Bonds' ex-trainer, obviously) refuses to speak to the grand jury about Bonds? [/ QUOTE ] Because his previous plea agreement that had him serve 3 months in prison had the condition that he wouldn't have to testify any further on items he had already testified too. Now, the government changed their minds, and wants him to testify again. They broke the deal, and he doesn't think that is fair since he upheld his part. And because of it, he has spent over a year in prison for contempt of court, for refusing to testify, at the governments insistence, and in violation of their previous plea agreement. 3 months in jail for the Balco case. 1+ year in jail and counting for refusing to answer the same questions about Bonds. Anybody else see the government's priority? EDIT: Nm, the above reply, I didn't realize the last billion posts have been about the caffiene argument.....
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#528
11-02-2007, 11:51 PM
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Vhawk,
I'm invoking the mercy rule here on the caffiene argument with BSF......christ, for the last 20 posts you're just running up the score on this guy.... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#529
11-02-2007, 11:58 PM
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[ QUOTE ] The studies I've linked state that there is a dose-dependent performance boost with caffeine. So, the "impact" of caffeine is whatever you want it to be. It isnt 5% or 100%, its related to how much you take. Just like steroids. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, break time's over. Girls are in bed... You believe you can improve your recall 100% by taking caffeine. Show me some proof of this. As a matter of fact, show me ANY percentage or improvement that you believe to have taken place. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, come on, I obviously dont think that.
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#530
11-03-2007, 12:01 AM
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[ QUOTE ] No, succeeding in medical school = demonstrating phenomenal recall. Succeeding in baseball = hitting the ball really hard. [/ QUOTE ] Ah, so succeeding in medical school can be achieved by anyone who is good at Jeopardy? You're telling me "Rainman" would succeed in medical school? [/ QUOTE ] [censored] yes. Rainman would destroy me. I mean, some part of the job is people skills, so he might struggle at that, but then, most doctors have the people skills of an autistic so it might be close. Computer algorithms have recently been tested that PWN doctors re: diagnosis of disease. And thats because computers have perfect recall. There is very little creativity or innovation in medicine, at least from the clinician standpoint. We are walking, talking WebMD.com's.
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