Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)

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bikr I heard that a while back u talked [censored] to Seif in chat then he challenged you to HU and cleaned you out, is this true?

[wiper]

whoever wrote that is a-okay..

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If you're too dumb too understand or don't have the desire to understand please just shut the [censored] up.

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[mntbikr15]

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bikr I heard that a while back u talked [censored] to Seif in chat then he challenged you to HU and cleaned you out, is this true?

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Everytime I had chat I talked [censored] to Seif, he never directly challenged me to HU, however we have certainly played a bunch of it over the past ~2 years. Most recently was maybe a month or two ago. He took a few K and ran.

So no, not really true, Sief isnt on the list of players who have cleaned me out at one time or another.

[suzzer99]

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All,

I just wanted to bring this gem of a thread to the attention of people who, like myself, don't read the Stud forum and hadn't seen it. It's Absolute-related and very BBV-worthy.

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Thanks for the thread bump, but it really has about as much impact on this thread as throwing a bucket of water in lake mead. The thread in the stud forum is about an apparent software bug in the showdown evaluation of razz hands, and affected the outcome of a $2 pot. There really was no evidence of foul play on AP's part, just incompetence. If you want to take that as evidence of incompetence in this matter, then jump to your own conclusions.

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This is a very obvious programming oversight in a very core aspect of AP's system (hand ranking) which certainly raises the possibility of another oversight to another core aspect of their system (security). Also it shows their support is basically 100% clueless, which doesn't bode well for this problem.

[Nick Royale]

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Theory 2: (This works with Ski's conspiracy theory, too) The owners/upper management are involved, most likely to support some pressing financial need. This is just horrible from both a money recovery standpoint (can't get blood from a stone) and a PR standpoint (it is easier to forgive a company for a rogue employee and it is easier to implement safeguards to stop it from happening again).

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If AP is behind the scam and wouldn't they be able to pull it off more believable than this? At least letting someone with half a brain play instead of an actual monkey...

[g-p]

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Does AP have any incentive to admit this happened even if they were 100% sure of an account compromise?

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Maybe not enough incentive, but Ikestoys and I, and probably several other mid and high stakes NL regulars will be leaving if they don't.

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bye!

[Alobar]

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I found this article which explains everything:

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The online gambling industry has been hit hard this week after rumors a major online poker room might be cheating their players. The allegations involve everything from a Super User account that can be used to see all players down cards (so long as their not using a Kryptonite Hard Drive) to rumors of a disgruntled former card room employee using a NL Holdem genie to grant his every wish (The player still loses at Fixed Limit because no genies exist outside of the NL sector). When interviewed about the allocation an employee of the card room in question said that the allegations are absurd and that 999 out of every 1000 players can not see their opponents down cards. When asked how one could be lucky enough to join the elite club of the 0.01% with the privilege the interviewee was directed to the VIP section of the website. The player who had conducted this interview was highly disappointed to find that the maximum VIP reward he could find on the site was 26” LCD monitor, no mention of the said down card viewer could be found.

As if this was not enough the industry was hit with a much larger blow regarding sports betting. This week several absolute mortal locks such as the Saints over the Bucks, the colts -7 over the Titans and the Bengals moneyline all lost, plus we seen other near locks (certainly plays of the week all go down). Rumors began surfacing on a popular forum, whose site name adds up to 4, that these games must be rigged. At first the officials were blamed, then the teams themselves. Others tried linking the down card viewer (slash super user account) scandal at poker to this obvious NFL fix.

While it seemed like a stretch to link the two scandals together at first we at CZZ Sports News were shocked to learn that the two are very likely related. Early this morning Joe Smith of Vegas Bookies 711 (the company who sets betting lines for near the entire industry) was caught red handed by federal authorities entering his time machine while holding a sports almanac. While it’s yet to be confirmed there are now rumors that he is also behind the online poker scandal. It’s believed Mr Smith was playing hands in advanced dumping lots of chips and would head back in time to gain information on how to play the hands differently. While this is pure speculation it is likely Mr. Smith knew his winning streak in sports betting would soon be discovered as it was open to a much wider audience, but he figured he could move from poker room to poker room and with thousands of tables to chose from he could skim plenty of cash along they way while going undetected. Poker and Sports betting enthusiasts will be happy to know that if convicted of conspiracy to commit gambling related crimes while using time travel he could find himself locked up for a minimum of 15 years and a maximum of 40.

It is a dark day for the entire gambling industry, once we regroup here and over come this depressed state we are in we will report more on this story.

Update: John Martin, CEO of leading online casino, Lucky Dragon Ace 10, said we are thrilled that the online poker and sports betting industries were finally exposed for the shams they are. We here have always avoided these products and want to let our clients know that we still pay 1.5 on a winning black jack and do not (nor have we ever nor will we in the future ever) employ any form of time travel in our operations.


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[Pokeraddict]

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I had a similar experience propping at AP, except I don't know how you got contact info from other props. The only people I ever talked to about propping were the prop managers.

Luckily after I went busto they overpayed me and I was back in business elsewhere.

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I was with the propping program from (near) the beginning. All the Props were given a master list of other props and contact info.

I also knew seven other props in person due to the fact I recruited them to the prop program. Some time in 2005, a player released the list on the internet. From that point forward, props were not given a master list of other props (and the rules related to playing with/against other props were relaxed because we would no longer "know" who the other props were).

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As Oski knows we propped together dating back to the days of Big Bet Poker. Him and I used to prop there when 3/6 was a big game for AP. I won just slightly over 2bb/100 in these SH FL games with over 500,000 hands and propped there for years. I don't see how they needed to cheat props. The pay was roughly 100% rakeback. Their only costs were payment processing and prop managers. For the most part the prop program is neutral EV at almost all poker rooms.

That being said several props I knew from back when we used to be able to know who was who came to me with the same allegations made in the post quoted by the first former prop. They all had the same concerns that AP had accounts that were stealing from them at the tables. I don't have any first hand experiences about it even though a big part of why I left AP was because of my own doubts about other things going on unrelated to anything about seeing hole cards.

As many of you know I've been all over AP this year because of many shady things they have done. This is why I feel this is such a big deal, they just have not been trustworthy since UIGEA passed.

[ibluffoldladies]

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If AP is behind the scam and wouldn't they be able to pull it off more believable than this? At least letting someone with half a brain play instead of an actual monkey...

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Maybe they were drunk, high, or both?
I can't believe they haven't released an official statement on this yet. The longer they delay, the more guilty they look. Where is the damage control PR?