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WTF why do I run so bad at 200NL (this played fine as well? Villain was 11/9/2 over 35 hands) Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter) <u>Hero (SB): $212.75</u> <u>BB: $218.70</u> UTG: $476.95 MP: $205.00 CO: $64.70 BTN: $51.85 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players) 4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, BB calls $6.00 <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, BB calls $10.00 <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($36) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $24.00</font>, BB calls $24.00 <font color="black">River:</font> ($84) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $50.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $176.70</font>, Hero calls all-in for $120.75 Uncalled bet of $5.95 returned to BB Pot Size: $425.50 ($3 Rake) BB had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON (+$209.75) Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and LOST (-$212.75) [/ QUOTE ] even over 35 hands, 11/9 isn't likely to be a donk. In general taggish players are never going nuts on a paired, 3-flush board with less than the nut flush and I think bet-folding is the way to go on this river. |
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First two hands vs same villain.
Party Poker No Limit Hold'em Cash Game $1/$2 Blinds 4 Players LegoPoker HH Converter SB: $196.32 <font color="black">BB: $242.75</font> <font color="black">Hero (UTG): $268.30</font> BTN: $376.18 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players) <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $6.00 <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($17) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $14.00</font>, Hero calls $14.00 <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($45) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $22.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $67.00</font>, BB folds Uncalled bet of $45.00 returned to Hero Pot Size: $89.00 Party Poker No Limit Hold'em Cash Game $1/$2 Blinds 6 Players LegoPoker HH Converter SB: $558.33 BB: $206.62 <font color="black">UTG: $376.93</font> MP: $236.90 <font color="black">Hero (CO): $204.85</font> BTN: $96.00 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players) UTG calls $2.00, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $8.00 <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($23) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, Hero checks <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($23) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, Hero checks <font color="black">River:</font> ($23) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $16.00</font>, Hero calls $16.00 Pot Size: $55.00 ($2.75 Rake) UTG had T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pairs, Fives and Threes) and LOST (-$26.00) Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pairs, Fives and Threes) and WON (+$26.25) Bonus hand wtfpwning a 50/35 lagfish: Party Poker No Limit Hold'em Cash Game $1/$2 Blinds 6 Players LegoPoker HH Converter SB: $355.95 BB: $200.00 <font color="black">UTG: $654.77</font> <font color="black">Hero (MP): $271.10</font> CO: $64.50 BTN: $91.48 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players) <font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, Hero calls $8.00, 4 folds <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($19) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $14.00</font>, Hero calls $14.00 <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($47) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $35.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $110.00</font>, Hero calls $75.00 <font color="black">River:</font> ($267) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $139.10</font>, UTG calls $139.10 Pot Size: $545.20 ($3.50 Rake) UTG had 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Eights full of Threes) and LOST (-$271.10) Hero had 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (four of a kind, Eights) and WON (+$270.60) |
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Note my flop bet...
Absolute Poker No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 5 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $3.25 CO: $110.25 Button: $67.33 SB: $105.20 dawade: $65.80 Pre-flop: (5 players) dawade is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">dawade raises to $5</font>, SB calls. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($10, 2 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">dawade bets $7.77</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $15.54</font>, <font color="#cc0000">dawade raises all-in $60.8</font>, SB calls. Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($131.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $131.6) River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($131.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $131.6) Results: Final pot: $131.6 <font color="#ffffff">SB Shows 7h 7s</font> <font color="#ffffff">dawade Shows Ad Ah</font> |
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OK trips when im the PFR is officially a bluff catcher, it cant be variance anymore, its just overvaluing it to think people dont realize what you probably have on that board if they are getting aggro.
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I'm allin.
Would any of you like to call? |
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OMG I'M SO BORED
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OMG I'M SO BORED [/ QUOTE ] Me too, but I start summer school tomorrow. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
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[ QUOTE ] WTF why do I run so bad at 200NL (this played fine as well? Villain was 11/9/2 over 35 hands) Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter) <u>Hero (SB): $212.75</u> <u>BB: $218.70</u> UTG: $476.95 MP: $205.00 CO: $64.70 BTN: $51.85 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players) 4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, BB calls $6.00 <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, BB calls $10.00 <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($36) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $24.00</font>, BB calls $24.00 <font color="black">River:</font> ($84) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $50.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $176.70</font>, Hero calls all-in for $120.75 Uncalled bet of $5.95 returned to BB Pot Size: $425.50 ($3 Rake) BB had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON (+$209.75) Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and LOST (-$212.75) [/ QUOTE ] even over 35 hands, 11/9 isn't likely to be a donk. In general taggish players are never going nuts on a paired, 3-flush board with less than the nut flush and I think bet-folding is the way to go on this river. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think his stats are too important over only 35 hands. I ran 8/7/1 over 80 hands at one table today when I'm normaly 20/16/3. |
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[ QUOTE ] I'm really surprised -10BI is supposed to be standard. I've only lost 10BI once ever, and I was on huge monkeytilt. Multiple swings around -5BI, though. [/ QUOTE ] I'm the same way. TBH, I think we're missing a lot of marginally +EV bluffing situations that we don't make because they usually cost you a stack when you are picked off (i.e. our Cajones are small and shrivelled). So let's say you've got a feel for it and you're making a lot of all-in bluffs where you're probably about +3-4 PTBB EV (on average) per hand (maybe less, just pulling a number outta my ass for illustration purposes). You're making a lot of money over the long term, but of course your variance is huge because you are basically swinging +/- a stack all the time. For me, I know it's a bankroll issue. I need 40-50 buy-ins to start playing like a want to play. [/ QUOTE ] It's definitely not a bankroll issue for me. I've got ~20k online right now, spread over various sites. I should be moving up, but I still don't feel I'm really crushing 200NL, as I felt I was crushing 100NL before I moved up. I ran at 7+ PTBB over a significant sample there, whereas I'm ~4PTBB at 200NL lifetime. Maybe a much higher winrate isn't possible for a nit like me. I just don't think I have the right feel for spots in which I should be making those big bluffs. The thing about Stars 200NL is that most regulars really really hate folding. I should have a really tight image, and I'm still constantly surprised by what people pay me off with in certain spots. Spots in which I'll never ever or very very rarely show them a bluff. Earlier in the May cheese thread you commented on a hand where my opponent cold-called my RR from then SB, then check-called with QQ twice against my OESFD. That was a spot in which I show up with a bluff (or even a semibluff) very very rarely. I'm just not going to have a hand I can bluff with very often, and I c-bet into two players on an immensely wet board in a reraised pot! I decided to bluff there especially because of that, but I still got called, and really, I knew I was going to be called. I think I should've reverse-posted that hand, I really think everyone would've told me to fold. I have been working on some things to get more tricky, though: shoving flops against light 3betters with overcards/gutshots, floating in RR pots and double barreling a bit more. All plays that increase my variance, but I think they're +EV, both in the long run and for shania when I get caught. As an example, villain seemed like a pretty good TAG. Yada yada blind battle TPTK is the nuts, but I'm just never ever showing him a worse hand. I really think he should be folding AQ here, but most Stars 200NL regs are never going to! Until they do, I'm just going to show them a set in this spot every time. Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter) <u>SB: $198.00</u> <u>Hero (BB): $236.20</u> UTG: $225.00 CO: $429.45 BTN: $178.75 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players) 3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $8.00</font>, Hero calls $6.00 <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38.00</font>, SB calls $26.00 <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($92) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $58.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $152.00</font>, Hero calls $94.00 <font color="black">River:</font> ($396) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In) Pot Size: $396.00 ($2 Rake) SB had Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$198.00) Hero had 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Eights) and WON (+$196.00) |
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both of these brutal hands happen within the first 10 hands of todays session.
this is just one of the ugliest hands i can imagine, i mean wtf Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Cash Game $1/$2 Blinds 5 Players LegoPoker HH Converter SB: $104.60 <font color="black">Hero (BB): $203.00</font> UTG: $321.00 CO: $200.00 BTN: $162.00 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players) UTG folds, CO raises to $6.00, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $4.00 <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($13) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero bets $8.00, CO raises to $16.00, Hero raises to $60.00, CO calls $44.00 <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($133) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero bets all-in for $137.00, CO calls all-in for $134.00 Uncalled bet of $3.00 returned to Hero <font color="black">River:</font> ($401) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In) Pot Size: $401.00 ($3 Rake) CO had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Eights) and WON (+$198.00) Hero had 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$200.00) here i went for a thin value bet thinking he cant possible get here with a 10 Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Cash Game $1/$2 Blinds 6 Players LegoPoker HH Converter SB: $390.05 <font color="black">Hero (BB): $200.00</font> UTG: $219.05 MP: $211.75 CO: $197.00 BTN: $235.45 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players) UTG folds, MP calls $2.00, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, SB raises to $4.00, Hero calls $2.00, MP calls $2.00, BTN calls $2.00 <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players) SB checks, Hero bets $12.00, MP folds, BTN folds, SB calls $12.00 <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($40) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, Hero bets $32.00, SB calls $32.00 <font color="black">River:</font> ($104) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, Hero bets $60.00, SB raises to $120.00, Hero calls $60.00 Pot Size: $344.00 ($3 Rake) SB had Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a straight, Ace high) and WON (+$173.00) Hero had 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Threes) and LOST (-$168.00) |
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