Werewolf: Pogglesworth - GAME THREAD!

[BluffBlank]

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I do agree that bluff is somehow suspicious.

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Agree with who? and how am I "somehow suspicious"? I was on Magra early, and reconfirmed it late, when I easily could've switched to someone else.

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Thinking out loud.......

If Val is not a wolf:
I assume that this list has 2-4 of the 5 wolves (Val voters): Amp, GT, Kumu, Kyro, Luckay, Shorty, Tokyo, VR

This list has 2-3 wolves (other voters):
Aaron, Clown, LC, MDD, Nich, Traz, Xorbie, Zurvan.

This list <u>might</u> have 1 wolf (Magra voters), but I truly doubt there is more than 1 wolf here:
Bluff, Books, DMK, Kbar, KM, Soah, Val

I am leaing towards Val not being a wolf, as his bandwagon grew to 8. As a wolf, I would expect someone else's bandwagon to grow instead.

Of the Val voters, I would list them as:
higher suspecion = VR, GT, Amp, Shorty, Tokyo
lower suspeicion - Kumu, Kyro, Luckay

Of the Other voters, I would list them as:
higher suspicion = Aaron, LC, Nich, Zurvan
lower suspicion = Clown, MDD, Traz, Xorbie

Of the Magra voters:
Higher suspecion = Books (he is the one I think would be crafty enough to vote for a fellow wolf in this situation)
Lower Suspcion = Bluff, DMK, kbar, Soah, Val
No suspicion = KM (obviosuly)

I will be back later to vote - but I am pretty sure I will be voting from the Val list.

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this is pretty much my list too. but with more words. and better spelling.

[Zurvan]

Here's the votes at 9:37. Amp is voting kbar, it's 6-5-4 val / magra / lc

[ 0 ] aaronk ------ kumu
[ 1 ] amplify ------ kbar
[ 0 ] bluff ------ magra
[ 0 ] books ------ lastchance
[ 0 ] clown ------ lastchance
[ 0 ] dmk ------ magra
[ 0 ] GT1T ------ val
[ 0 ] Herbie ------ lastchance
[ 2 ] kbar ------ magra
[ 0 ] KM ------ magra
[ 2 ] kumu ------ tokyo
[ 0 ] kyro ------ val
[ 4 ] lastchance ------ zurvan
[ 0 ] Luckay ------ val
[ 5 ] Magra ------ kumu
[ 0 ] MDoranD ------ kbar
[ 0 ] nich ------ vr
[ 0 ] shortline ------ magra
[ 0 ] soah ------ val
[ 1 ] Tokyo ------ val
[ 0 ] traz ------ vr
[ 6 ] val ------ zurvan
[ 2 ] VR ------ amplify
[ 0 ] xorbie ------ val
[ 2 ] Zurvan ------ lastchance

Just after this is posted, xorbie jumps to VR (wtf?), and val on to magra. That makes it 6-5-4 magra / val / lc

At this point, amp posts his "List of Doom" which, while amusing, contains one comment of substance - that bluff is a wolf. No mention of val or magra in game terms. Amp implies that putting this list together is what affected the timing of his vote... as if compiling this list made him realize val was a good vote. That seems odd, since he doesn't say anything about val being wolfy, and doesn't vote for his top suspect.

At this point, shorty switches to val, and soah to magra. Vote counts stay the same, since they had previously been voting opposite. Kumu votes val, herbie votes magra, making it 7 - 6. Shorty goes to VR (wtf, again), making it 7-5. VR votes val to bring it back to 7-6. Bluff &amp; books quickly vote magra, to make it 8-6 (bluff was already on magra).

This is where shorty votes val, and starts yelling for others to vote him, and amp follows along.

Final Vote:


[ 0 ] aaronk ------ kumu
[ 0 ] amplify ------ val
[ 0 ] bluff ------ magra
[ 0 ] books ------ magra
[ 0 ] clown ------ lastchance
[ 0 ] dmk ------ magra
[ 0 ] GT1T ------ val
[ 0 ] Herbie ------ magra
[ 1 ] kbar ------ magra
[ 0 ] KM ------ magra
[ 2 ] kumu ------ val
[ 0 ] kyro ------ val
[ 2 ] lastchance ------ zurvan
[ 0 ] Luckay ------ val
[ 8 ] Magra ------ kumu
[ 0 ] MDoranD ------ kbar
[ 0 ] nich ------ vr
[ 0 ] shortline ------ val
[ 0 ] soah ------ magra
[ 0 ] Tokyo ------ val
[ 0 ] traz ------ vr
[ 8 ] val ------ magra
[ 3 ] VR ------ val
[ 0 ] xorbie ------ vr
[ 1 ] Zurvan ------ lastchance

This is all in response to this statement by soah:

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the reason amp is not my top choice atm is because in durron's game he never did anything like that to draw attention to himself, and I haven't yet really decided how much weight I want to give to the fact that as a wolf he had plenty of time to make his vote sooner in order to not draw as much attention to it

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It certainly appeared as if val could end up being lynched without amps help. It's also totally out of character for amp to do that late vote as a wolf (or villager, for that matter). I wonder if he was hanging on, hoping things would change without his help. It would leave his vote on a non-factor, which is something he definitely likes to do as a wolf.

One last point - if val is also a wolf, and ends up lynched, amp looks pretty good there (to some).

So, after reading all this, I think I want to lynch val.

IMO, his most likely role is SK. Second most likely is wolf. Villager is a distant third.

Also suspicious from my re-read is this gem from Luckay:

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val didn't claim seer, so I don't feel too scared now

he put someone who hadn't posted on the wolf list. If he's a villager who did that, then he definitely fooled me with his level 2 play (or level 0)

this late magra surge is very very suspicious.


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1. He's more likely to claim seer as a wolf than a villager, so NOT claiming seer shouldn't make him feel better at all
2. This is a very valid point, in that it's stupid to put soah on his list, since he had no reason to put 6 names down, if he didn't have 6 suspects. I think somebody saw what "TEH VILLAGER TELL" was, and decided to go with it
3. It was a slow vote, not a huge pile-on, and there was a bunch of people pushing val. The val wagon was far more suspicious than the magra one.

Since I can't see val as a villager, and with the way his wagon went last night, is why I've put him as SK.

[Zurvan]

My pre-re-read wolf/sk list:

amp
val
shorty
luckay

[GetThere1Time]

oh and valenzuela in case my intentions today werent clear.

[kbar13]

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My pre-re-read wolf/sk list:

amp
val
shorty
luckay

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I like that list. Although, I am almost hoping val is a villager, because I think so much would become clear. I don't think it is the case though.

[amplify]

Zurvan, you are one annoying bastard.

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Amp implies that putting this list together is what affected the timing of his vote... as if compiling this list made him realize val was a good vote. That seems odd, since he doesn't say anything about val being wolfy, and doesn't vote for his top suspect.

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I did not imply that my list made me realize anything, that's just dumb. What I said was that by the time I finished my little humorous typing and read the thread it was 10:00.

[amplify]

But I still love you, knucklehead freak spazz.

[wdcbooks]

Amp, is it awful that one of the reaons I kind of want to lynch you is that if you are a wolf this may be our last shot before you fade into obscurity?

I honestly don't know if Amp acts that way as a wolf. He is certainly smart enough to do it, which undoubtedly helps his team, and get out of his own lynch by saying he would never do it as a wolf.

[amplify]

Why am I going to fade into obscurity, because you have finally figured out my tells? I laugh heartily, spilling my soup. It blends with the turkey on my keyboard creating a lovely bisque.

[wdcbooks]

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Why am I going to fade into obscurity, because you have finally figured out my tells? I laugh heartily, spilling my soup. It blends with the turkey on my keyboard creating a lovely bisque.

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You will go ninja and will end up being fifth on everyone's list and then find someway to own everyone in the final three.