**Official uNL Microbrew thread: May** - Page 51

ciro bonano · #**501** 05-07-2007, 07:07 AM

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nit = 14% VPIP and below, rarely if ever bluffs. (..) That's what I consider a nit. I dunno if other people have a different definition for nit...

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I basically took it for a combo of both low VPIP and low pfr, I wouldn't consider a 14/12 a nit; for me a 15/5 is a nit. Doesn't raise a lot of stuff on the button after limpers like suited connectors, small pp, etc.

I guess there is some overlap in all "nit definitions" but it isn't the same for everybody. Next time I'll post and say "villain is a nit" I should state what I mean by that.

Everlong · #**502** 05-07-2007, 07:27 AM

LOL I was gonna check-call river thinking "what am I beating"...then I remembered this guy sucks so I c/r instead...

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($28.62)
Hero ($34.60)
UTG ($18.80)
MP ($5)
Button ($14.93)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $0.6, Button calls $0.60.

Turn: ($1.80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1.8, Button calls $1.80.

River: ($5.40) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5.4, Hero raises to $21.6, Button calls $6.88 (All-In).

Final Pot: $39.28

Results in white below:
Hero has 9s 2c (two pair, nines and twos).
Button has Qh Qd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $39.28.

BishopsFinger · #**503** 05-07-2007, 09:59 AM

eurgh - ran hot for ~400 hands then ran into this:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($56.30)
BB ($16.70)
UTG ($28.65)
Hero ($27.65)
Button ($22.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, Button raises to $3.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.35.

Flop: ($7.05) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.05, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $12.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($46.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($46.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $46.35

and proceeded to spew off 2 more buyins with overpair to overpair and some disusting tp2ndkicker play.

im going to go take a shower.

-oh and he had kings, converter decided not to share that with you.

oh and he was <5% pfr over a reasonable sample so i figured id get paid off like this if he was holding aa or kk - hence the stodgy call pf.

BishopsFinger · #**504** 05-07-2007, 10:20 AM

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($5.45)
MP ($16.65)
Hero ($25)
Button ($29)
SB ($17.50)
BB ($16.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3

, 3

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UTG calls $0.25, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, [color=#666666]1 fold, SB calls $1.40, BB calls $1.25, UTG calls $1.25.

Flop: ($7.50) K

, 3

[color=#0000FF](5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, [color=#CC3333]MP bets $6, Hero calls $6, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: ($19.50) J

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($19.50) 6

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]MP bets $9.15 (All-In), Hero calls $9.15.

Final Pot: $37.80

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
MP has 6h 6c (full house, sixes full of threes).
Hero has 3h 3d (four of a kind, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $37.80. 

i love treys really.

Triggerle · #**505** 05-07-2007, 10:36 AM

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This is an awfully small sample. You could be a 20PTBB/100 winner and have stats like that over 6k hands.

That said, you seem to not see enough showdowns. Examine your turn play. Do you check behind a lot of turns and then fold to a river bet?

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hey! I do that a lot now that I think of it! How do i fix this?

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If you check the turn behind villians are more likely to bluff (with a busted draw) or semi-bluff (with stuff like middle pair, especially if a scare card hits). It takes experience to recognise this. You can start by calling reasonable river bets more often in these situations to develop a feel for it. A good spot to start calling river bets is when you are unsure if you should bet the turn because you likely have the best hand. You can chose to check behind and call what you would have bet anyway on the turn.

Be prepared to pay some learning money on this, though, and don't start calling off your stack with top pair.

Genz · #**506** 05-07-2007, 10:46 AM

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eurgh - ran hot for ~400 hands then ran into this:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($56.30)
BB ($16.70)
UTG ($28.65)
Hero ($27.65)
Button ($22.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, Button raises to $3.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.35.

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His raise was more than 10% of his stack. You should have gotten away from this preflop, you know...

OneBigRed · #**507** 05-07-2007, 10:56 AM

Somebody explain me the theory behind "raising more when OOP". I see that as a advice here sometimes, but cannot understand the logic. Why do you want to create bigger pots when you are forced to play them out of position?

For example this was an advice for one AA hand, where one poster adviced to make a bigger 3-bet from the blinds because the player was OOP. I see no point to that, you either lose value because you are more likely to end the hand right there, or play a inflated pot OOP with rather large reversed implied odds.

Explain please?

C4LL4W4Y · #**508** 05-07-2007, 11:06 AM

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Somebody explain me the theory behind "raising more when OOP". I see that as a advice here sometimes, but cannot understand the logic. Why do you want to create bigger pots when you are forced to play them out of position?

For example this was an advice for one AA hand, where one poster adviced to make a bigger 3-bet from the blinds because the player was OOP. I see no point to that, you either lose value because you are more likely to end the hand right there, or play a inflated pot OOP with rather large reversed implied odds.

Explain please?

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Generally speaking, the more you raise OOP, the more strength you give to your relative position.

You've taken control of the pot and have given less room for the villain to use position to his advantage. Also, you don't want to price villains into playing a hand with position against you, because of that reason - they'll have more room (bb to pot ratio) to work with postflop and will thus gain more of advantage.

Jzo19 · #**509** 05-07-2007, 11:11 AM

first off in that hand the initial raiser had been called so a bigger raise is necessary to give lesser implied odds to the button caller and keeping the hand heads up

i think the play to raise more in the blinds is better suited for a hand like AK/AQ ,mostly because you want to take it down preflop instead of playing it OOP ,

ben wb · #**510** 05-07-2007, 11:52 AM

This was the 3rd hand I played at this table, maybe he put me on ak?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $9.35
BB: $1.10
UTG: $15.55
MP: $3.05
CO: $10.15
Hero (BTN): $9.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt

(6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.45, BB folds, CO calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.60)

(3 Players)
SB bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40, Hero raises to $2.50, SB raises to $4.60, CO folds, Hero raises all-in to $9.35, SB calls all-in for $4.25
Uncalled bet of $0.50 returned to Hero

Turn: ($19.70)

(2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($19.70)

(2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $19.70 ($0.95 Rake)

SB had (a pair of Threes) and LOST (-$9.35)
Hero had (a full house, Threes full of Deuces) and WON (+$9.40)

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