Bots in PartyPoker's 6-max Limit games?

[Jake (The Snake)]

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Thanks for the update Spiff. I don't understand how commenting on this specific case would compromise things though. Anybody know? Has this always been Party's policy?

Personally, I would like to know that something was done here.

[TheScientist]

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I think people should be 'worried' about bots at every level. These bots/accounts may have moved up and become more advanced and now killing NL400+ for all we know.

Do you know if they still play?

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I remember looking back at the names about 6 months later and still seeing them at that time. By now they've probably had to move their bots to a different site (I remember them having American locations).

[Sciolist]

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I think people should be 'worried' about bots at every level. These bots/accounts may have moved up and become more advanced and now killing NL400+ for all we know.

Do you know if they still play?

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If it helps, I'm pretty sure that everyone who is killing NL $400+ posts on MSNL here. It's kind of funny.

[ihardlyknowher]

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gone,

You can't sue someone for using all resources available to them, to beat you at a game [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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This got me thinking. Everyone who is using a bot and/or sharing hole cards is breaching the T&C of the poker sites. The T&C of the poker sites is a contract not only between each player and the poker sites, but a contract among all of the players themselves. Thus, each player that uses a bot and/or shares hole cards is liable for breach of contract to every other player.

Although Ray Bonnert may not be breaching the contract, he is tortiously interfering with our contractual relationships (Count One in our complaint against Ray and Winholdem).

Also, Ray is conspiring with all of his clients to breach this contract, so we could potentially sue him for conspiracy. However, in most states there must be an underlying tortious act to support a claim for conspiracy. But that is easy enough to solve with a fraud claim. Since each cheater agrees to the T&C without the intention of following them, they are fraudulently inducing honest players to play with them. Ray is at the very heart of this conspiracy to commit fraud (Count Two: Consipracy).

Furthermore, all of the cheaters are using interstate wires to perpetrate this fraud, and thus violating 18 USC s1343 (Fraud by wire, radio, or television). Since Ray runs an ongoing enterprise to facilitate this criminal activity, he can be held liable for violation of the federal RICO laws (Count Three: Violation of 18 USC s1964).

I think such a lawsuit brought as a class action on behalf of all honest online poker players could bankrupt Ray and shut down WinHoldem. Any thoughts?

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Any thoughts?

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Yeah. Are you paying for it?

[boohaa12]

get us a cost of a lawyer and file something, ill donate 25$ as will many other 2p2s. However if hes not in the US, good luck locating him and getting a court to pursue it. Plus were not playing on sites sanctioned in the US... good thought though. mee thinks not work.

[RayBornert]

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gone,

You can't sue someone for using all resources available to them, to beat you at a game [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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This got me thinking. Everyone who is using a bot and/or sharing hole cards is breaching the T&C of the poker sites. The T&C of the poker sites is a contract not only between each player and the poker sites, but a contract among all of the players themselves. Thus, each player that uses a bot and/or shares hole cards is liable for breach of contract to every other player.

Although Ray Bonnert may not be breaching the contract, he is tortiously interfering with our contractual relationships (Count One in our complaint against Ray and Winholdem).

Also, Ray is conspiring with all of his clients to breach this contract, so we could potentially sue him for conspiracy. However, in most states there must be an underlying tortious act to support a claim for conspiracy. But that is easy enough to solve with a fraud claim. Since each cheater agrees to the T&C without the intention of following them, they are fraudulently inducing honest players to play with them. Ray is at the very heart of this conspiracy to commit fraud (Count Two: Consipracy).

Furthermore, all of the cheaters are using interstate wires to perpetrate this fraud, and thus violating 18 USC s1343 (Fraud by wire, radio, or television). Since Ray runs an ongoing enterprise to facilitate this criminal activity, he can be held liable for violation of the federal RICO laws (Count Three: Violation of 18 USC s1964).

I think such a lawsuit brought as a class action on behalf of all honest online poker players could bankrupt Ray and shut down WinHoldem. Any thoughts?

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i'll play this game.
post the link to the t&c that you'd use in your complaint.

ray bornert

[ihardlyknowher]

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get us a cost of a lawyer and file something, ill donate 25$ as will many other 2p2s. However if hes not in the US, good luck locating him and getting a court to pursue it. Plus were not playing on sites sanctioned in the US... good thought though. mee thinks not work.

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It does not matter that the poker sites are not sanctioned in the US.

[ihardlyknowher]

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i'll play this game.
post the link to the t&c that you'd use in your complaint.

ray bornert

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Here is just one example.

http://www.partypoker.com/about_us/terms_conditions/

Relevant portions:
"you agree not to use any AI Software and/or any such programs. By accepting our terms and conditions you expressly consent to abide by our Unfair Advantage Policy."

Link to Unfair Advantage Policy

[ihardlyknowher]

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Any thoughts?

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Yeah. Are you paying for it?

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I am willing to work on it gratis though. I used to be a lawyer before I quit to play poker.