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11-15-2007, 06:59 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] its not only that we are dominated, its that by calling with this hand we will be extremly difficult position once we see the flop and will put us in a situation where its very hard to play properly and I do not think a8 plays good vs his range at all [/ QUOTE ] You never call people light in 3bet pots IP? By not calling this pf you are extremely exploitable. 4betting isn't bad but this hand has value and now it doesn't. [/ QUOTE ] This is ridiculous. Not calling three bets with A8s makes you 'extremely exploitable'? How exactly? [/ QUOTE ] Not calling 3bets with less than premium hands makes you exploitable. Especially if we are in position. [/ QUOTE ] there are tons of non-premium hands that play better two street poker than A8 
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#42
11-15-2007, 07:02 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] its not only that we are dominated, its that by calling with this hand we will be extremly difficult position once we see the flop and will put us in a situation where its very hard to play properly and I do not think a8 plays good vs his range at all [/ QUOTE ] You never call people light in 3bet pots IP? By not calling this pf you are extremely exploitable. 4betting isn't bad but this hand has value and now it doesn't. [/ QUOTE ] This is ridiculous. Not calling three bets with A8s makes you 'extremely exploitable'? How exactly? [/ QUOTE ] Not calling 3bets with less than premium hands makes you exploitable. Especially if we are in position. [/ QUOTE ] there are tons of non-premium hands that play better two street poker than A8 [/ QUOTE ] Such as?
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#43
11-15-2007, 07:04 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] its not only that we are dominated, its that by calling with this hand we will be extremly difficult position once we see the flop and will put us in a situation where its very hard to play properly and I do not think a8 plays good vs his range at all [/ QUOTE ] You never call people light in 3bet pots IP? By not calling this pf you are extremely exploitable. 4betting isn't bad but this hand has value and now it doesn't. [/ QUOTE ] This is ridiculous. Not calling three bets with A8s makes you 'extremely exploitable'? How exactly? [/ QUOTE ] Not calling 3bets with less than premium hands makes you exploitable. Especially if we are in position. [/ QUOTE ] there are tons of non-premium hands that play better two street poker than A8 [/ QUOTE ] Such as? [/ QUOTE ] any suited connector, non-suited connectors JT+, one gap broadways and one gap suited connectors??
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#44
11-15-2007, 07:08 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] there are tons of non-premium hands that play better two street poker than A8 [/ QUOTE ] Such as? [/ QUOTE ] Suited broadway?
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#46
11-15-2007, 07:32 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] its not only that we are dominated, its that by calling with this hand we will be extremly difficult position once we see the flop and will put us in a situation where its very hard to play properly and I do not think a8 plays good vs his range at all [/ QUOTE ] You never call people light in 3bet pots IP? By not calling this pf you are extremely exploitable. 4betting isn't bad but this hand has value and now it doesn't. [/ QUOTE ] This is ridiculous. Not calling three bets with A8s makes you 'extremely exploitable'? How exactly? [/ QUOTE ] Not calling 3bets with less than premium hands makes you exploitable. Especially if we are in position. [/ QUOTE ] there are tons of non-premium hands that play better two street poker than A8 [/ QUOTE ] Such as? [/ QUOTE ] any suited connector, non-suited connectors JT+, one gap broadways and one gap suited connectors?? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah don't agree with this at all. You think a hand like 86s suited is better than A8s in a 3bet pot? What is your reasoning behind liking 8 high over Ace high. If it is because you will "hit more flops" then it is a little misguided. The whole allure of calling with Ace high is two fold. 1) If we hit an ace we can comfortably commit to the pot. This idea alone makes it attractive to call. 2) Most flops will miss our opponent and when he c-bets, Ace high will me ahead of most of his c-betting range. You mentioned suited 1 gappers? You realize hands like these will make 2nd or 3rd pair FAR more often than straight draws right? These hands are exponentially harder to player than Axs hands and will leave you very vulnerable to getting outplayed.
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#48
11-15-2007, 07:45 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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1) If we hit an ace we can comfortably commit to the pot. This idea alone makes it attractive to call. [/ QUOTE ] I cant comfortably commit to the pot with a8 when an ace flops, because a large majority of the time when that happens we will be dominated [ QUOTE ] 2) Most flops will miss our opponent and when he c-bets, Ace high will me ahead of most of his c-betting range. [/ QUOTE ] Who cares if you have 8 high or ace high they will have the same showdown value in that spot; when you get to showdown you’re a high will win very little.
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#49
11-15-2007, 07:52 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] 1) If we hit an ace we can comfortably commit to the pot. This idea alone makes it attractive to call. [/ QUOTE ] I cant comfortably commit to the pot with a8 when an ace flops, because a large majority of the time when that happens we will be dominated false [ QUOTE ] 2) Most flops will miss our opponent and when he c-bets, Ace high will me ahead of most of his c-betting range. [/ QUOTE ] Who cares if you have 8 high or ace high they will have the same showdown value in that spot; when you get to showdown you’re a high will win very little. [/ QUOTE ] You're totally missing the point.
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