anyone who is reasonable at poker, please read and comment

[Acevader]

Why does poker EV not count set over set? How does it not count them? Are they the hands that are skipped and if so, why?

[RikaKazak]

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Why does poker EV not count set over set? How does it not count them? Are they the hands that are skipped and if so, why?

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they are not skipped

I'm not going to explain it...think hard

[SABR42]

Run better I guess?

I don't see anything wrong with your numbers.

[SABR42]

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Why does poker EV not count set over set? How does it not count them? Are they the hands that are skipped and if so, why?

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They aren't skipped.

But set-under-set means you are getting it in with 5% equity but not doing anything wrong.

[Acevader]

Yeah but why would that matter? For everytime you stack off with set over set someone stacks off to you with it. I got nailed by an overset yesterday and 30 minutes ago I nailed full_tilting with the higher set. Six and half a dozen if you ask me.

[HesseJam]

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Well, there's no shame in limping once in a while. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

From memory, very few (if any) of the most profitable players have such a high PFR% (at least at $1/$2- I'm not so familiar with $2/$4.)

(Also, most of the players that do have a high PFR% are losing players.)

Obviously there is no single optimum VP$IP/PFR% combination but I'd certainly recommend experimenting with closer to a single digit PFR%.

Another point, from a multi-tabling perspective, is that there's clearly an inverse-correlation between a player's PFR% and the focus they can afford each table. In other words the greater the number of hands you're raising pre-flop, the greater your involvement in each of those individual pots- resulting in less attention for your other tables.


How many tables do you play?

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I had the exact same thoughts. Also, look at AKo hands (was also mentioned before).

All in all, you might be too aggro (just a tad or just not mixing it up enough on the turn).

[HesseJam]

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Why does poker EV not count set over set? How does it not count them? Are they the hands that are skipped and if so, why?

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They aren't skipped.

But set-under-set means you are getting it in with 5% equity but not doing anything wrong.

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PokerEV is ok when you check the net run line. This just compares EV and outcome after you work was done in the hand (all-in). I was once up 8 buy-ins over 10K hands. That's a lot of suck outs for me and very few against me.

Also, you could have a look at the set-o-meter. It shows you if you made your sets as you should (usually, this is the case in 50 K hands) but it also tells you how often your set ran into a bigger set, KK vs AA, Overpairs vs. set and if you had won these hands. I ran with my KK less into AA than the other way round AND I sucked out with my KK more than I lost with AA. Anamolies can mean a couple of thousend bucks here at 2/4.

[HesseJam]

Also, set a filter to "at least 8 players" and rerun the list. Sometimes there is a big difference in the result and it makes your stats more comparable to others.

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From memory, very few (if any) of the most profitable players have such a high PFR% (at least at $1/$2- I'm not so familiar with $2/$4.)

(Also, most of the players that do have a high PFR% are losing players.)



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Sorry but I totally disagree with this.

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These are the Top 20 earners from the last 800k hands that I've played.



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Plz dont post this. All of 2p2 knows its impossible to be a good player unless you play a 20/10 game ldo fwiw imo diagf. Your going to disturb group think and throw off the tides so that no right answer shall ever be availible.

[SABR42]

Dude why post at all if you're just going to troll?

Also, 20/16 ftw. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]