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#41
11-08-2007, 12:38 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
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i would put jeter ahead of, in no particular order, the following ppl: tejada renteria peralta furcal bartlett guillen eckstein ([censored] grit) uribe vizquel (even though i <3 him he has less range imo than jeter) flame on i guess [/ QUOTE ] rofl @ jeter being better than everyone on this list 
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#43
11-08-2007, 12:42 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
How does the plus/minus system work?
Jesus, Jermaine Dye was ManRam bad this year. He had a bum quad for awhile, but [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].
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#44
11-08-2007, 12:45 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
Wow at Pujols having the best number on that image.
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11-08-2007, 12:47 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
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How does the plus/minus system work? Jesus, Jermaine Dye was ManRam bad this year. He had a bum quad for awhile, but [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] yeah whats plus minus
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#46
11-08-2007, 12:50 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
the thing that really gets me is how much the different metrics vary
Tulowitzki is +9 over #2 on that metric but on UZR i believe(link is broken on the site atm [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]) he was like 8th overall and 20runs behind #1
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#47
11-08-2007, 12:52 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
bottomset,
I don't think anyone should be too much stock into one defensive metric, but use a general consensus of the good ones. You can usually figure out who are the good, the bad, and the middle based on their numbers across the board.
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11-08-2007, 12:59 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
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bottomset, I don't think anyone should be too much stock into one defensive metric, but use a general consensus of the good ones. You can usually figure out who are the good, the bad, and the middle based on their numbers across the board. [/ QUOTE ] yeah but its weird for a player to be at the top of one, and then out of the top10 on another(iirc Sizemore is the top UZR CF and out of the top10 here) that they can be so far apart from each other is nuts
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#49
11-08-2007, 01:16 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
Here's an interesting Bill James article from 2006 that compares Jeter with Adam Everett (2005 season) using a few different methods. There is a +/- system discussed, which might be what was posted above.
Cliff's Notes: Jeter is a bad SS, Everett is a good SS. http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/jeter.asp Side note: Not like I didn't know this, but looking at the +/- stats...holy [censored] my Brewers have a bad infield.
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#50
11-08-2007, 01:19 AM
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Re: Convincing people that Derek Jeter\'s defense isn\'t, and never has
"How do we define “best” and “worst”? It’s up to the computer. Every play is entered into the computer at Baseball Info Solutions. The computer then computes the totals, and decides that a softly hit groundball on Vector 17 is converted into an out by the shortstop only 26% of the time. Therefore, if, on this occasion, the shortstop converts a slowly hit ball on Vector 17 into an out, that’s a heck of a play, and it scores at +.74. The credit for the play made, 1.00, minus the expectation that it should be made, which is 0.26. If the play isn’t made—by anybody—it’s -.26 for the shortstop."
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