PLO200 - tricky turn spot - Page 5

RoundTower · #41 10-28-2007, 04:44 AM

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One more thing, have a read of http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/pot-limit/
You'll probably get a lot more than what I've posted.

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lol I think this is the same guy who was responsible for the "when good players play PLO, there are no big pots unless one player has quads and someone else has top full house" that used to get posted here once a week. Good to see he's still around and as entertaining as ever.

Buzz · #42 10-28-2007, 05:50 AM

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lol I think this is the same guy who was responsible for the "when good players play PLO, there are no big pots unless one player has quads and someone else has top full house" that used to get posted here once a week. Good to see he's still around and as entertaining as ever.

[/ QUOTE ]That's Steve Badger's site. Steve did post on 2+2 years ago, when I first started posting here, but he left this site probably a couple of years before you came on to it, and before Omaha split off from other games. As I recall, Steve won the WSOP in Omaha-8 a few years back and used to play in big games at Commerce (in L.A.). I haven't seen Steve for a while, but then I don't get to the Commerce casino much either. Whether you agree with his point of view or not, he's probably worth listening to. I don't recall that he posted once a week about the lack of big pots, but it's been a long time, five years anyhow, I think, since he posted on 2+2.

Buzz

iggymcfly · #43 10-28-2007, 06:06 AM

LOL, I remember reading that article posted pretty much word-for-word by a low-stakes player claiming it as his own when I first started playing PLO about a year and a half ago.

It actually turned out to be pretty good advice for me as I'm pretty stubborn and don't listen to other people much so the fact that he overstated his case times about 1000 happened to be just the right balance to get across to me that position was more important in PLO than in NLHE.

Honestly though, any regular online player can disprove this article just by looking at their PT stats. If I gave away all my profit from the first 3 positions in a FR game, and always folded my blinds to a raise, there's no way I could possibly turn a profit playing PLO.

pete fabrizio · #44 10-28-2007, 06:08 AM

Lol at someone deserving to be listened to because they won a single 186-entrant live Omaha-8 tournament in 1999.

Big Dave D · #45 10-28-2007, 07:20 AM

I remember Badger very well. He had a (typical) big falling out with Mason and stop posting here a lifetime ago. He was more well known for his advice on Limit O8b in which he had some considerable success.

As to the advice at hand, well clearly its an exaggeration and wrong. But written from the perspective of pre Internet games, and especially how they were played, the advice has a germ of truth to it, especially to those holdem players who will crash 100s BB into an unimproved flop.

Also, fwiw, I just looked at about 150k of hands of FR PLO/PLO8b. Now I know that this isn't a great sample, as I played pretty bad in them, but I would have made much more if I had passed the blinds and first few positions.

gl

bdd

pete fabrizio · #46 10-28-2007, 07:27 AM

I remember Badger from RGP back in the day and he didn't post anything useful there either.

RoundTower · #47 10-28-2007, 08:30 AM

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I remember Badger very well. He had a (typical) big falling out with Mason and stop posting here a lifetime ago. He was more well known for his advice on Limit O8b in which he had some considerable success.

As to the advice at hand, well clearly its an exaggeration and wrong. But written from the perspective of pre Internet games, and especially how they were played, the advice has a germ of truth to it, especially to those holdem players who will crash 100s BB into an unimproved flop.

Also, fwiw, I just looked at about 150k of hands of FR PLO/PLO8b. Now I know that this isn't a great sample, as I played pretty bad in them, but I would have made much more if I had passed the blinds and first few positions.

gl

bdd

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you lost at 75ptBB/100 or more from the blinds? that sounds like a huge leak to make up for in the rest of your play.

Troll_Inc · #48 10-28-2007, 08:49 AM

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Lol at someone deserving to be listened to because they won a single 186-entrant live Omaha-8 tournament in 1999.

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The funny thing is that the 186 person thing is way less important than the tournament thing.

Also, the internet PLO game itself has changed a good bit in just 2 years.

pete fabrizio · #49 10-28-2007, 09:03 AM

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Lol at someone deserving to be listened to because they won a single 186-entrant live Omaha-8 tournament in 1999.

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The funny thing is that the 186 person thing is way less important than the tournament thing.

Also, the internet PLO game itself has changed a good bit in just 2 years.

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my point was that it's a couple of hundred hands tops, not to mention in a different game and a different era.

Big Dave D · #50 10-28-2007, 10:19 AM

75PTBB/100? I'm not sure where u got that from. I didn't play well in that sample, for sure.

Pete, I would disagree with your view of Badger on rgp. He was mostly a moan and one of those guys, like Ribbo actually, that always had to have the last word in an argument. But his limit O8b advice, when he got to it, was normally spot on.

gl

bdd