How many pokerooms cheat? [modnote: read the OP]

[T Kiriakopoulos]

I disagree that it is independent hackers (not working for the casinos) who see the hole cards of others. Because most of my losses happened because they were getting very lucky when I had a strong hand. And not so much because they were folding when I had a strong hand.

Besides, if it was the case of independent hackers, the casinos would make the best of their efforts to watch all games and freeze quickly the accounts of all suspects i.e. strange winners. It would be of their interest to do so. Therefore it would rarely happen to be cheated by hackers. All players are hackers? Very rare bad luck keeps happening all the time, against all opponents. Strong hands keep costing you money, whereas the opposite should happen in the long run (as when played by an average player, they have an expected value much higher that the max 5% of the rake). This could only happen if the casino FORCES a BALANCE of the amounts that players win and lose between them, so that in the long run all the money goes to the rake. Because it is the conservative players who play only strong hands, that have an edge over the rest of the players. Because if this was not the case, and instead all players were betting and folding with the same preflop and flop hands, then this BALANCE would happen anyway (no matter how great poker player you are, if the other players are folding the same preflop and flop cards you fold too, you cannot have an edge over them greater than the 5% rake), therefore in the long run all the money of all players would anyway go to the rake, therefore the casinos would have no reason to cheat, and we would not observe the phenomenon that strong hands get very rare bad luck all the time.

Perhaps sometimes they use the more quick method of a “player” who’s money is the casino’s, who keeps winning. This “player” could be either an employee or a computer bot. But the method of the enforced BALANCE is more difficult to be statistically identified as cheating.

[fozzy71]

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I disagree that it is independent hackers (not working for the casinos) who see the hole cards of others. Because most of my losses happened because they were getting very lucky when I had a strong hand. And not so much because they were folding when I had a strong hand.

Besides, if it was the case of independent hackers, the casinos would make the best of their efforts to watch all games and freeze quickly the accounts of all suspects i.e. strange winners. It would be of their interest to do so. Therefore it would rarely happen to be cheated by hackers. All players are hackers? Very rare bad luck keeps happening all the time, against all opponents. Strong hands keep costing you money, whereas the opposite should happen in the long run (as when played by an average player, they have an expected value much higher that the max 5% of the rake). This could only happen if the casino FORCES a BALANCE of the amounts that players win and lose between them, so that in the long run all the money goes to the rake. Because it is the conservative players who play only strong hands, that have an edge over the rest of the players. Because if this was not the case, and instead all players were betting and folding with the same preflop and flop hands, then this BALANCE would happen anyway (no matter how great poker player you are, if the other players are folding the same preflop and flop cards you fold too, you cannot have an edge over them greater than the 5% rake), therefore in the long run all the money of all players would anyway go to the rake, therefore the casinos would have no reason to cheat, and we would not observe the phenomenon that strong hands get very rare bad luck all the time.

Perhaps sometimes they use the more quick method of a “player” who’s money is the casino’s, who keeps winning. This “player” could be either an employee or a computer bot. But the method of the enforced BALANCE is more difficult to be statistically identified as cheating.

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[its_just_me]

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I'm confused. You all agree that they're all cheating? Who's playing then? loool

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[ ] OP is smart
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[xSCWx]

I didn't read this thread or most of the OP, but the point that if sites weren't rigged all of the money would eventually go to rake is bogus. You could say the same thing for live casinos.

PS: Did I just get leveled?

[DCal Zone]

This is the most important part:

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No, my losses were not because of the post blinds, as I chose to play no limit where the posts were 1/50 or 1/100 of the average pot.
No, my losses were not because of the fact that I lost much when I lost and won little when I won because of my bad play. I am not the most stupid poker player of the world. Of course this thing happened, but not because of exceptional stupid play of mine, but because of cheating or very rare bad luck. But a very rare bad luck is itself the definition of statistical evidence for cheating.

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He's basically FGators who doesn't speak English very well.

[StrongArm]

who wants to fight?

[chip-star]

But how much did you lose?

[JammyDodga]

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Because it is the conservative players who play only strong hands, that have an edge over the rest of the players.

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Ah, thats why I lose... I need to stick to playing Aces and Kings... SToopid me!!

Clearly the OP is a great player, and din't lose his monies by being a dumb nit.

[GSykes]

ALL

[ChrisV]

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Some preflop hands (e.g. AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, etc ) as well as some flop hands (e.g. flopping a top pair when having such a strong preflop hand) are bound to produce profit in the long run even after a 5% rake, if you are not the most stupid player of the world.

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As a counterexample, I give you FGators.