Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Other Topics > Politics
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 10-19-2007, 02:46 PM
slickss slickss is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 665
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

[ QUOTE ]
your point? oooh you're makin a statement about Iraqi prisoners, I see.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, I was. I agree it was fairly off-topic and I hope it won't completely derail this thread.

[ QUOTE ]
So you're saying you're against them being imprisoned and tortured unlawfully?

[/ QUOTE ]
Very much so.

[ QUOTE ]
Well if you pay your taxes, then you're funding what you're against. Does that make you a hypocrite? If not, it means you're just a scaredy cat.

[/ QUOTE ]
Are we seriously down to this level? This is a ridiculous way to argue.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 10-19-2007, 02:49 PM
slickss slickss is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 665
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

[ QUOTE ]
So where is the "philosophical jam"?

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, you get into a philosophical jam if you support a political movement which is based on being 'ultimately responsible for your own actions' and then you don't act in accordance with the movement's beliefs.

[/ QUOTE ]
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 10-19-2007, 03:18 PM
pvn pvn is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: back despite popular demand
Posts: 10,955
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So where is the "philosophical jam"?

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, you get into a philosophical jam if you support a political movement which is based on being 'ultimately responsible for your own actions' and then you don't act in accordance with the movement's beliefs.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

I would agree with this if it were qualified with "absent coercion".
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 10-19-2007, 03:29 PM
tame_deuces tame_deuces is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,494
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..


I'll grant that my proposed 'philosophical jam' was abit black&white, but certainly there are many 'posers' in the radical political camps.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 10-19-2007, 03:38 PM
slickss slickss is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 665
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

[ QUOTE ]
I would agree with this if it were qualified with "absent coercion".

[/ QUOTE ]
Why didn't you just write that right away? Your DUCY-style of debating only slows down the discussion.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 10-19-2007, 03:42 PM
Subfallen Subfallen is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Worshipping idols in B&W.
Posts: 3,398
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

I don't see how the Browns imagined they had a legitimate argument, as courts all the way to the top have ruled against tax evasion.

If I was going to make a statement, I wouldn't wait to be arrested, I would just go up to the Marshalls and offer my wrists for the handcuffs. What's the point of delaying the inevitable?
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 10-19-2007, 08:04 PM
Misfire Misfire is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 2,907
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

[ QUOTE ]
I don't understand this point of view. As near as I can tell, they never actually said "we're not paying taxes because we don't believe in it and we're making a stand". They said "we're not paying taxes because the written rules we think are valid say we don't have to". To me, that makes them as "heroic" as someone who says "we're not paying our insurance premiums because we don't believe the contract says we have to". There's very little priniciple in the discussion at all as far as I can see.

[/ QUOTE ]

Perhaps they believe in the rule of law, whereas, according to them, the IRS doesn't. They took a stand against what they saw as an unlawful action by a government agency. Is that unprincipled?
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 10-19-2007, 08:05 PM
Misfire Misfire is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 2,907
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

[ QUOTE ]
I don't see how the Browns imagined they had a legitimate argument, as courts all the way to the top have ruled against tax evasion.

[/ QUOTE ]

Jury nullification FTW.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 10-19-2007, 08:09 PM
bobman0330 bobman0330 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Billion-dollar CIA Art
Posts: 5,061
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't understand this point of view. As near as I can tell, they never actually said "we're not paying taxes because we don't believe in it and we're making a stand". They said "we're not paying taxes because the written rules we think are valid say we don't have to". To me, that makes them as "heroic" as someone who says "we're not paying our insurance premiums because we don't believe the contract says we have to". There's very little priniciple in the discussion at all as far as I can see.

[/ QUOTE ]

Perhaps they believe in the rule of law, whereas, according to them, the IRS doesn't. They took a stand against what they saw as an unlawful action by a government agency. Is that unprincipled?

[/ QUOTE ]

+

[ QUOTE ]
Jury nullification FTW.

[/ QUOTE ]

=

???
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 10-19-2007, 08:10 PM
Misfire Misfire is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 2,907
Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

Doesn't make sense when you don't consider they were responses to completely unrelated statements.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.