*** OFFICIAL 10/01/07 NFL MNF GAME THREAD (NE Pats @ Cincy)***

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I realize that. I'm picking against the public in the 3+1 league to see how I fare with that strategy.

[Vagos]

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Calling this team anything but really bad is generous. They'll be lucky to win 8 games this year. Cinci u9.5 wins was easy easy money before the season.


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They'll be "lucky" to win 8 games? Based on their remaining schedule I'm going to say that's a stretch. I look at their schedule right now and see 8, maybe 9 more games where if the game happened tomorrow, Cincy would almost definitely be the favorite.

Also, just curious as a side note, how much did you bet on under 9.5 for Cincy wins before the season started?

[siccjay]

I am guessing that you also so the Cleveland game as a win?

[psuasskicker]

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Calling this team anything but really bad is generous. They'll be lucky to win 8 games this year. Cinci u9.5 wins was easy easy money before the season.


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They'll be "lucky" to win 8 games? Based on their remaining schedule I'm going to say that's a stretch. I look at their schedule right now and see 8, maybe 9 more games where if the game happened tomorrow, Cincy would almost definitely be the favorite.

Also, just curious as a side note, how much did you bet on under 9.5 for Cincy wins before the season started?

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Like siccjay said, you saw Cleveland as a win too, didn't you? I see seven more wins on their schedule if htey're lucky. They needed a ton of Baltimore mistakes to scrape out a win, and they looked bad in their other two losses. Like I said, lucky to be 8-8. My guess is 7-9 and could easily see them going 6-10.

I put a unit on them u9.5 before the season.

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[Vagos]

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Like siccjay said, you saw Cleveland as a win too, didn't you?

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I did, but I was so-so on it. I didn't bet on it. Seemed like a lot of people had it as their big lock.

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I see seven more wins on their schedule if htey're lucky. They needed a ton of Baltimore mistakes to scrape out a win, and they looked bad in their other two losses. Like I said, lucky to be 8-8. My guess is 7-9 and could easily see them going 6-10.

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They would be favorites right now on the road against KC, Buffalo, Miami and MAYBE San Fran though it'd be close. And they'd most certainly be favorites at home against the Jets, Cardinals, Titans, Rams and Browns. Like I said 8, maybe 9 games. And I'm not ready to say they're just gonna auto-lose to the Pats, Steelers x2 and Ravens. It is the NFL after all. I say they win >7 games and I wouldn't be shocked to see them win 9 or 10. Keep in mind it's a streaky team. They won 3 in a row and then 4 in a row at two different points last season and that was with the toughest ranked schedule in the NFL.

[MacGuyV]

Nice job of bringing a voice of reason to the discussion Vagos. They were also screwed out of a game @Tampa & lost a freakish game @Denver last year and still won 8 games with a tough schedule. It sucks for all the donks who bet the mortgage laying points @Cleveland (nobody seemed the care about the "lucky" Ravens win when betting that game), but they're an above average team and that's not really debatable. Also, I didn't see a single person pick them to win the division or be a top-notch contender before the season, so perhaps people don't understand the term: "overrated".

[Vagos]

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Nice job of bringing a voice of reason to the discussion Vagos. They were also screwed out of a game @Tampa & lost a freakish game @Denver last year and still won 8 games with a tough schedule. It sucks for all the donks who bet the mortgage laying points @Cleveland (nobody seemed the care about the "lucky" Ravens win when betting that game), but they're an above average team and that's not really debatable. Also, I didn't see a single person pick them to win the division or be a top-notch contender before the season, so perhaps people don't understand the term: "overrated".

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Yea, that's the thing, as someone who follows the Bengals very closely, they coulda EASILY won 10 or 11 games last year. They woulda been in the playoffs if they hit an EXTRA POINT for crying out loud!

It's funny that when they win vs Baltimore it was just luck but when they lose to Seattle on the road by 3 by fumbling away the last possession of the game(with all 3 timeouts in their pocket), well that has nothing to do with luck, they're just horrible.

FWIW, I'm not betting on this game. I said earlier in the thread that if I had to pick, I'd probably go New England -7. But the spread is 7 for a reason, and I certainly wouldn't select this game as one I'd want money on. I think all these people who say it's an auto 14+ point win are going to be surprised come Monday night. A MNF game at home is going to keep it close. And I am desperately hoping the Bengals pull it out. It'll be tough but I don't see it as some kind of David vs Goliath longshot.

[silentbob]

At what point do the Patriots become a BSP pick?

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Like siccjay said, you saw Cleveland as a win too, didn't you?

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I did, but I was so-so on it. I didn't bet on it. Seemed like a lot of people had it as their big lock.

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BSP pick. I got Clev +7.5 by waiting close to game time for easy money. Still, man did they look bad that game. They also looked bad vs. Seattle.


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I see seven more wins on their schedule if htey're lucky. They needed a ton of Baltimore mistakes to scrape out a win, and they looked bad in their other two losses. Like I said, lucky to be 8-8. My guess is 7-9 and could easily see them going 6-10.

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They would be favorites right now on the road against KC, Buffalo, Miami and MAYBE San Fran though it'd be close. And they'd most certainly be favorites at home against the Jets, Cardinals, Titans, Rams and Browns. Like I said 8, maybe 9 games. And I'm not ready to say they're just gonna auto-lose to the Pats, Steelers x2 and Ravens. It is the NFL after all. I say they win >7 games and I wouldn't be shocked to see them win 9 or 10. Keep in mind it's a streaky team. They won 3 in a row and then 4 in a row at two different points last season and that was with the toughest ranked schedule in the NFL.

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First off, being favs and winning are two different things. They were favs against the Browns and of course lost. I don't think they'll be favs vs. the Niners, and the Chiefs are tough to beat at home (LJ vs. that Cinci run D???). I'm not at all convinced they'll be favs even at home vs. the Jets or Titans, particularly the Titans.

This just isn't a good team. I'm not sure at all why you're saying they're good and will win 8 or 9 cause they'll be favs in all those games. Who cares where the lines are? This team just isn't good. Their offense is good with a strong passing game and mediocre running game, and their defense is horrible.

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[paperchamp]

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At what point do the Patriots become a BSP pick?

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Pretty sure it already has.