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09-30-2007, 04:36 PM
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Re: Deep stack (300-1000bb+) theory--common scenarios PREFLOP
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[ QUOTE ] Here's how I view the psychology of live deep stack. I play mostly live, and it is a totally different mindset from online. I can't comment on the card play because that is going to depend on who's at the table and where they are sitting. Might as well write a book. The "online ban" in the US has pushed lots of online players to casinos and made the games less predictable. An online player thinks in terms of buy-ins, and variance will produce runs of 8-10 buy-ins lost no problem. The effective stack size for an online player is then more like 1000 BB or more. This is why they stack off relatively easily, because it is effectively macro-limit holdem. What is in front of the online players NOSE, however, is 100BB or less, so 10BB is 10% or more of his chips. [/ QUOTE ] i stopped reading here but so far this post is the worst post i've read in a long time. lol @ stephennuts loving it [/ QUOTE ] I agreed on some of his points...where did I say I LOVE his post azzzhole! There is a group of about 10+ PUNKS on this forum,that wouldnt dare say 10% of the crap in person they post towards others with their snide 18 yr old mentalities One thing I know for sure tho, if they werent behind the walls of their computers,they would STFU! I see why the GREAT posters/players are no longer around anymore 
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#42
09-30-2007, 04:48 PM
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Re: Deep stack (300-1000bb+) theory--common scenarios PREFLOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here's how I view the psychology of live deep stack. I play mostly live, and it is a totally different mindset from online. I can't comment on the card play because that is going to depend on who's at the table and where they are sitting. Might as well write a book. The "online ban" in the US has pushed lots of online players to casinos and made the games less predictable. An online player thinks in terms of buy-ins, and variance will produce runs of 8-10 buy-ins lost no problem. The effective stack size for an online player is then more like 1000 BB or more. This is why they stack off relatively easily, because it is effectively macro-limit holdem. What is in front of the online players NOSE, however, is 100BB or less, so 10BB is 10% or more of his chips. [/ QUOTE ] i stopped reading here but so far this post is the worst post i've read in a long time. lol @ stephennuts loving it [/ QUOTE ] I agreed on some of his points...where did I say I LOVE his post azzzhole! There is a group of about 10+ PUNKS on this forum,that wouldnt dare say 10% of the crap in person they post towards others with their snide 18 yr old mentalities One thing I know for sure tho, if they werent behind the walls of their computers,they would STFU! I see why the GREAT posters/players are no longer around anymore [/ QUOTE ] Sorry didn't realize you had to explicitly say "i love this post" to indicate you love it, just kind of assumed saying "you make great points" is enough. And yeah, you complimented a post that started off as complete drivel, I can see why you would be angry at someone pointing it out. As for the cliched "you would never say this to me to my face" I talk mad [censored] live so not quite so applicable. If you want, I'll be in A.C. for the USPC. I assume you will be there. I would be more than happy to explain to you why that post was garbage, line by line, in person.
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#43
09-30-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: Deep stack (300-1000bb+) theory--common scenarios PREFLOP
Mad [censored] live?lol
I am almost positive I will be there for the M/E ,so introduce yourself and you can explain what your point is...ok? ~stephen [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#44
09-30-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: Deep stack (300-1000bb+) theory--common scenarios PREFLOP
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One of the reasons that it's not necessary to be as aggressive pre-flop live is that online, the players are usually too good to stack off in a limped pot without an extremely good reason, but live it's just not true - there's usually a couple of players bad enough that if you can beat their top pair you'll win a sizable pot anyway. The reverse is also true - your pre-flop raise that in your mind will enable you to represent AA/KK later on in the hand, it simply won't work - Q8 is just not folding on a Q-high flop, and you will bluff off a couple of stacks before that sinks in... thus two of the main reasons for pre-flop aggression a lot of times will not apply in a loose-passive live game. The biggest advantage you have in a live game is that with only one table to focus on as opposed to 6 that you're used to, you should be watching every single hand that's being played out. After about an hour, every mediocre player's limping/raising range should be so narrow in your mind that playing perfectly against them becomes a cakewalk, and that's where playing live becomes hugely profitable. Kirk [/ QUOTE ] almost exactly what i was going to post with that one fix [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#45
10-01-2007, 12:46 AM
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Re: Deep stack (300-1000bb+) theory--common scenarios PREFLOP
I want to see the ariel/stephen showdown.
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#46
10-01-2007, 01:43 AM
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Mad [censored] live?lol I am almost positive I will be there for the M/E ,so introduce yourself and you can explain what your point is...ok? ~stephen [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] how many respected high stakes pros is steven going to come out like this against, i'd love to see FWF vs steven at foxwoods though like 100-200 or 200-400 nl, there would be a sick rail/side bets on that match
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#47
10-01-2007, 02:23 AM
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Re: Deep stack (300-1000bb+) theory--common scenarios PREFLOP
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[ QUOTE ] Mad [censored] live?lol I am almost positive I will be there for the M/E ,so introduce yourself and you can explain what your point is...ok? ~stephen [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] how many respected high stakes pros is steven going to come out like this against, i'd love to see FWF vs steven at foxwoods though like 100-200 or 200-400 nl, there would be a sick rail/side bets on that match [/ QUOTE ] sorry to disappoint everyone, but i'm only like 20% to go to USPC now. sick of travelling and might just go back home.
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#48
10-01-2007, 05:26 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Mad [censored] live?lol I am almost positive I will be there for the M/E ,so introduce yourself and you can explain what your point is...ok? ~stephen [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] how many respected high stakes pros is steven going to come out like this against, i'd love to see FWF vs steven at foxwoods though like 100-200 or 200-400 nl, there would be a sick rail/side bets on that match [/ QUOTE ] sorry to disappoint everyone, but i'm only like 20% to go to USPC now. sick of travelling and might just go back home. [/ QUOTE ] No problem FWF,as I wasnt sure I was going to the USPC anyway with the short field expected..I assume you will be going to Foxwoods,and will see you then I guess? ~stephen [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] BTW Fatal Error YOU are one of the ten punks referred to , as just a skinny azzzed short stacking gossip hurling trouble maker.Your like a [censored]ing CxxNT
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#49
10-01-2007, 08:17 AM
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Re: Deep stack (300-1000bb+) theory--common scenarios PREFLOP
stephen,
it's actually fatalerror there is no space ~fatalerror (before the lock)
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#50
10-01-2007, 01:06 PM
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Re: Deep stack (300-1000bb+) theory--common scenarios PREFLOP
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stephen, it's actually fatalerror there is no space ~fatalerror (before the lock) [/ QUOTE ] No Jon (before the lock): It's "actually" something that cant be posted,but when I see you at Foxwoods I will tell you in person. OK?
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