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08-28-2007, 11:23 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] Did you know all this means [censored] if you're dead? [/ QUOTE ] Not true. It just means that ungrateful ignorant [censored] can say it doesn't on the internet. [/ QUOTE ] So not only are we not allowed to complain about the war-profiteers forcing us to pay for their insane murdering around the globe and supporting and arming every side of every single conflict; we should be GRATEFUL for it? Do you realize what kind of dominance/fear you are trying to play here? 
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#42
08-28-2007, 11:24 PM
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Do you realize what kind of dominance/fear you are trying to play here? [/ QUOTE ] You are saying that we should lick the boots of our slavemaster and BE HAPPY TO DO SO. Wake up dude and smell the fascism.
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#43
08-29-2007, 03:55 AM
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You must remember: U.S. citizens voted Bush into office AND THEN REELECTED the idiot. I believe the problem lies in the fact that the majority of U.S. citizens are either easily fooled, card carrying republicans, or the other party nominated a guy who wasn't about to do anything different but could spend 8 more years doing it rather than 4. [/ QUOTE ]
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#44
08-29-2007, 10:59 AM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] You must remember: U.S. citizens voted Bush into office AND THEN REELECTED the idiot. I believe the problem lies in the fact that the majority of U.S. citizens are either easily fooled, card carrying republicans, or the other party nominated a guy who wasn't about to do anything different but could spend 8 more years doing it rather than 4. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] You really believe a Dem would have invaded Iraq? Would he have sent in only 100k troops instead of 300k, as recommended under the Pentagon Plan that had been devised over the previous 12 years? That would have required the draft in order sustain the troops in Iraq, unless we wiped out the insurgents in short order. Also, I guess the Dem Prez would have also ignored all intelligence info they were briefed on by the Clinton Admin and scratched it off as trash? Finally, they would have also ignored the CIA's report, which, according to Repubs, the CIA is primarily Dem and was out to thwart the Neocons plans by giving info contrary to what the Neo's needed to hear?
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#45
08-29-2007, 11:02 AM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So to reiterate: when a human being drops a bomb from high above the clouds on a city where other humans live (and he himself lives on the other side of the world), he it not to blaim for the murder, even if he voluntarily agreed beforehand to do such a thing if it was asked of him? Instead, other people are to blaim even if they are opposed to this action, and are forced to pay for the funding of the operation? [/ QUOTE ] It is covered in the bible (the BIG BOOK for those who believe in the imaginary friend for grownups, called GOD)that you are to follow the orders of your commanders when in the military. They preached that to us in basic training. I would prefer we hold an Olympics, or chess tournament, to determine who wins, but nobody will employ my recommendation. [/ QUOTE ] What? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Here is a link to the Bible's history of the military: http://www.gotquestions.org/military-Christian.html
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#46
08-29-2007, 12:25 PM
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When they enlist, they take an oath to follow the orders of the President of the United States of America without question. [/ QUOTE ] We take an oath to support and defend the constitution not a person. "I _____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegience to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God. Additionally, we are never in a position under the UCMJ to follow any orders "unquestionably." That was the Nazi's not us. We have a right and an obligation to not follow orders which violate our laws (UCMJ).
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#47
08-29-2007, 12:33 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] When they enlist, they take an oath to follow the orders of the President of the United States of America without question. [/ QUOTE ] We take an oath to support and defend the constitution not a person. "I _____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegience to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God. Additionally, we are never in a position under the UCMJ to follow any orders "unquestionably." That was the Nazi's not us. We have a right and an obligation to not follow orders which violate our laws (UCMJ). [/ QUOTE ] Following the orders of the Prez, falls under "faithfully discharge the duties of the office...." There is a chain of command, that the UCMJ requires you to adhere to, that is, unless it's unlawful.
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#48
08-29-2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] When they enlist, they take an oath to follow the orders of the President of the United States of America without question. [/ QUOTE ] We take an oath to support and defend the constitution not a person. "I _____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegience to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God. Additionally, we are never in a position under the UCMJ to follow any orders "unquestionably." That was the Nazi's not us. We have a right and an obligation to not follow orders which violate our laws (UCMJ). [/ QUOTE ] Following the orders of the Prez, falls under "faithfully discharge the duties of the office...." There is a chain of command, that the UCMJ requires you to adhere to, that is, unless it's unlawful. [/ QUOTE ] Sort of. To be clear, it is the orders of the chain of command, not the chain of command we have to adhere to IAW the UCMJ. Also, part of the "faithfully discharge the duties" is following the lawful orders of those appointed over "me." Another part is the orders I issue, my conduct on and off duty, etc. So I'm pretty sure we agree, just wanted to clarify.
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#49
08-29-2007, 12:46 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] When they enlist, they take an oath to follow the orders of the President of the United States of America without question. [/ QUOTE ] We take an oath to support and defend the constitution not a person. "I _____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegience to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God. Additionally, we are never in a position under the UCMJ to follow any orders "unquestionably." That was the Nazi's not us. We have a right and an obligation to not follow orders which violate our laws (UCMJ). [/ QUOTE ] Following the orders of the Prez, falls under "faithfully discharge the duties of the office...." There is a chain of command, that the UCMJ requires you to adhere to, that is, unless it's unlawful. [/ QUOTE ] Sort of. To be clear, it is the orders of the chain of command, not the chain of command we have to adhere to IAW the UCMJ. Also, part of the "faithfully discharge the duties" is following the lawful orders of those appointed over "me." Another part is the orders I issue, my conduct on and off duty, etc. So I'm pretty sure we agree, just wanted to clarify. [/ QUOTE ] Well done. I retired in 92, so I'm relying on memory.
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#50
08-29-2007, 12:50 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You must remember: U.S. citizens voted Bush into office AND THEN REELECTED the idiot. I believe the problem lies in the fact that the majority of U.S. citizens are either easily fooled, card carrying republicans, or the other party nominated a guy who wasn't about to do anything different but could spend 8 more years doing it rather than 4. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] You really believe a Dem would have invaded Iraq? Would he have sent in only 100k troops instead of 300k, as recommended under the Pentagon Plan that had been devised over the previous 12 years? That would have required the draft in order sustain the troops in Iraq, unless we wiped out the insurgents in short order. Also, I guess the Dem Prez would have also ignored all intelligence info they were briefed on by the Clinton Admin and scratched it off as trash? Finally, they would have also ignored the CIA's report, which, according to Repubs, the CIA is primarily Dem and was out to thwart the Neocons plans by giving info contrary to what the Neo's needed to hear? [/ QUOTE ] Clinton did a damn fine job of ignoring all the warnings when he was in office, so ya, it would probably been about the same. Try to look at things objectively once in awhile instead of beating off to pictures of pelosi.
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