calling down with JJ

[Jamougha]

I would call the river but I'm pretty sure it's a fold. don't like the turn call at all. Not a spot people are second barrelling much.

[Go_Blue88]

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3bet pre; turn can go either way based on your feel; it is close; if you call turn def. call this river, it is the best river there is barring a J imho.

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i don't agree with this logic as justification for a call. part of the reason i'd call this turn is b/c i'm not sure if i believe my opponent (in other words that I'm behind in the hand) and i want to see a river to see what he does. the logic "if you call the turn, you must call the river on x card," makes no sense to me.

[KRANTZ]

he will very rarely have 99, TT, JJ, QQ or AA here.

he has quads or he is bluffing. i hate preflop.

[Fabian]

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his opening range is way wider than his 3b calling range, the 2 things arent related.

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If he has a wide open range and a ridiculously tight 3b calling range 3-betting seems much much better than calling to me.

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whatttttttt?!?!?!?! you realize you are turning JJ into XX?
if they have a wide opening range and very tight 3b calling range you should 3bet them with a ton of weak hands, but JJ is probably among the worst, if not the worst hand to 3bet the player you describe. picking up this pot preflop is def not the best option

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What's your winrate with JJ overall? What do you estimate your EV with JJ to be in this spot if you call?

Question for everyone. I agree with what you said about 3-betting with worse hands being better than doing it with jacks, though I still think 3-betting is much better than calling.

[MDMA]

Wtf, no idea how everythink see this is some kind of autocall, I'm pretty sure I fold this.

[Triumph36]

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Wtf, no idea how everythink see this is some kind of autocall, I'm pretty sure I fold this.

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hay mdma posted this before i could

srsly is it bizarro 2p2? have you guys forgotten the zeebo thoerem? jfish is totally being zeebowned here

'well you have a full house and he could be value betting worse even though that is incredibly dumb (and it's easy to see why)'

i like krantz's post too

[ilikeaces86_]

I call but I am a showdown monkey.

[BalugaWhale]

pf and turn suck

flop and river are ok

[MDMA]

What are you smoking, how the [censored] else are you going to play on turn?

[BalugaWhale]

prob fold cause most people dont double barrel the 2nd Kball light