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#41
07-31-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: Am i a donkey to even consider calling the river????????
ss - the 5 type definitely are capable.
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#42
07-31-2007, 01:37 PM
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Re: Am i a donkey to even consider calling the river????????
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flop: I'm re-raising here always to find out where I stand, if he shoves.... then meh, but im never calling [/ QUOTE ] would you do the same with 22?
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#43
07-31-2007, 02:00 PM
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Re: Am i a donkey to even consider calling the river????????
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No reads, i do have stats on him though: 18/12/5 Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter) SB: $61.97 BB: $152.05 UTG: $51.25 CO: $49.25 Hero (BTN): $104.22 Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $6.25</font>, Hero calls $4.25 Flop: ($12.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $9.00</font>, Hero calls $9.00 Turn: ($30.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $20.25</font>, Hero calls $20.25 River: ($71.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $32.50</font> also comments about how i ve played the rest of the hand are appreciated..... [/ QUOTE ] Semi-grunch. I think you need to decide how you want this hand to play out before you make the call. Let's take a moment and think about that. He's re-raising pre-flop, so you know a c-bet is coming almost no matter the texture. If it comes Axx, he's leading out, where are you? You will spend a raise/call trying to find out. If it comes Qxx, he's leading out (which he will do with AK, AA, KK). Again you are going to spend a raise/call trying to find out. You have no reads on him, so you don't know how he plays his various hands. The only advantage you have is position with a weak hand relative to his range. Let's look at his range. 18/12/5 12% is 22+, ATs+, AJo+, KQs, QJs, etc... I don't remember the exact ranges, but Pokey has an article that defines this nicely. Of that 12%, what is his likely RE-RAISING range? Obv JJ+, AKs, AKo, maybe AQo, and we'll throw in a random 45s, and maybe even TT. when he decides to play back at you. Let's stove that... equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 63.607% 54.10% 09.51% 544669032 95750466.00 { TT+, AQs+, 54s, AQo+ } Hand 1: 36.393% 26.88% 09.51% 270664788 95750466.00 { AQo } We have no reads, so we have no reason to assume he's an aggro monkey. You didn't state how many hands you have on him, but if you have no reads, I have to assume it is less than 50. Anything over that and your villian should have shown some hands down that you took notes on. Readless, I'm going to give him credit. My hand is behind his re-raising range, even if we throw in a random SC that he decides to play back at the button raiser with. I'm going to go ahead and fold pre-flop until I have notes on him. As played, you can call/fold or raise and fold to a shove. You should, however, never get past the turn. If he can double-barrel AK or other air, good for him, but until you have notes on this and his bet-sizing/timing, you can't profitably call here. You are beat most of the time when he fires again on the turn. Save dough. Fold pre-flop and take notes.
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#45
07-31-2007, 02:15 PM
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Re: Am i a donkey to even consider calling the river????????
I fold preflop. The fact that we hit TPTK then we are wondering what to do is a good argument for laying it down pre.
If you dont fold preflop you should fold the turn.
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#46
07-31-2007, 03:28 PM
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Re: Am i a donkey to even consider calling the river????????
okay dan, lets just call and fold because he could never make a play at that flop vs. his raise preflop, and obv he has the nuts everytime he does this
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#47
07-31-2007, 03:35 PM
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Re: Am i a donkey to even consider calling the river????????
why woudln't we have any FE vs villan raising this flop, we also have position and can let it go to turn aggression if he just calls
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#49
07-31-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: Am i a donkey to even consider calling the river????????
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okay dan, lets just call and fold because he could never make a play at that flop vs. his raise preflop, and obv he has the nuts everytime he does this [/ QUOTE ] wtf are you talking about? I never he said he's not cbetting the flop, I never even said we are behind his range for betting that flop, we're probably ahead of it, but why on earth does that make you want to raise the flop?
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#50
07-31-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: Am i a donkey to even consider calling the river????????
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if i was willing to call a 3bet with 22, which most of the time im not, but against the right villain, yes. [/ QUOTE ] so vs this villain, you're raising his flop cbet with 22? Why?
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