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#41
07-15-2007, 12:05 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
no i get it now. a big part of the reason for shoving all in is the times that the opponent will fold and you will pick up his bet + the blinds for a nice pot.
as for what his opponent would have folded to his shove... JJ and QQ maybe? who knows.. also... just to be clear.. if the roles were reversed and dmikkel had re-raised with the A-K to an opening raise... would this be a bad call? just because there is no fold equity (obv) ? ty and sorry if it sounded as though i was calling him an idiot. 
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#42
07-15-2007, 12:10 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
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no i get it now. a big part of the reason for shoving all in is the times that the opponent will fold and you will pick up his bet + the blinds for a nice pot. as for what his opponent would have folded to his shove... JJ and QQ maybe? who knows.. also... just to be clear.. if the roles were reversed and dmikkel had re-raised with the A-K to an opening raise... would this be a bad call? just because there is no fold equity (obv) ? ty and sorry if it sounded as though i was calling him an idiot. [/ QUOTE ] I'm still trying to figure out if I'm being leveled here....
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#43
07-15-2007, 12:11 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
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but even if you got called by 9-9 and lost... i still don't get how you could say "i played it well - got al my chips in on a coinflip getting paid better than 1 to 1 so it's a positive EV wager, and if they both fold you increase your stack by around 33% " [/ QUOTE ] Yea, I could see myself being happy saying this if I lost out. But I'd be way happier with about 5,000,000 and a double up a way from the chip lead. I hope it's clear why this is standard now.
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#44
07-15-2007, 12:15 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
ok so it's profitable due to the hcips you already have in there.
what about if a guy just random shoves as an opening raise for your stack? now you have nothing invested but obv blinds and antes are in. -EV now?
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#45
07-15-2007, 12:15 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
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as for what his opponent would have folded to his shove... JJ and QQ maybe? who knows.. [/ QUOTE ] Christ no. Based on DMMK's image, he might have a tough fold with 99, TT, and certainly with a decent number of other stealing hands, but JJ+, AK is almost certainly Tran's calling range in this spot and if anything, it might be a little wider.
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#46
07-15-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
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[ QUOTE ] The stupididty in passing up an edge of more than 10 BB is obv not even debatable. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah but what if you have to put your TOURNAMENT LIFE ON THE LINE? HUH? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] AN ACE!! AND A KING!!!!!! AND ACE AND A MOTHER [censored] KING!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ]
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#47
07-15-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
I didn't read all the responses, but I can say that in my home $0.05/$0.10 game if I open AK to $0.30 and someone repops it to a full dollar, it's a super standard automuck for me.
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#48
07-15-2007, 12:46 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
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I didn't read all the responses, but I can say that in my home $0.05/$0.10 game if I open AK to $0.30 and someone repops it to a full dollar, it's a super standard automuck for me. [/ QUOTE ] haha
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#49
07-15-2007, 12:47 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
the trick to threads like this is they have to be posted when the good posters are off in other forums, leaving this one simmering in its own idiocy.
in other words, you ran into a forum 3 bet son
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#50
07-15-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: Players who cannot fold A-K preflop deep in the WSOP ME?
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ok so it's profitable due to the hcips you already have in there. what about if a guy just random shoves as an opening raise for your stack? now you have nothing invested but obv blinds and antes are in. -EV now? [/ QUOTE ] 1) It was profitable due to the chips you have in there AND your folding equity. 2) If someone just open pushes, it IS still +EV because of the blinds and antes, but not near as much so (again, assuming exactly 99). An argument (not a very good one) could be made for folding here (if you 'know' he has 99) only because the EV here is quite small, and your stack is big enough to where you might find a better situation later without risking your whole stack.
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