David Singer - Page 5

umistboy · #41 07-08-2007, 11:12 AM

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Singer was eliminated from the ME on a hand in which his opponent recieved a call and touched his cell phone during the hand. Singer appealed to the tournament supervisor and director to kill his opponents hand. Both ruled against him. Singer now wants a refund of his entry fee because he feels that he has been violated.

WSOP cell phone rule states: "A player who wants to use a cellular phone must step away from the table. Any player on the cell phone or texting a messaging when the dealer delivers the first card from the deck will have a dead hand. No cell phones can be placed on a poker table. "

Is Singer justified or angle-shooting?

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The guy didn't violate these rules. Why is there even any debate? The dealer wasn't dealing when the phone went off.

PITTM · #42 07-08-2007, 11:30 AM

this seems like the definition of angle shoot to me. why should singer get his money back? i mean i understand the rule, but a) the guy didnt break the rule by the actual letter of the law. b) this is one of the most juvenile angleshoots ive seen in awhile.

phiphika1453 · #43 07-08-2007, 11:37 AM

what i find interesting is the difference of standards b/w online and live poker.

online it is accepted that you might be playing against a whole room of ppl sharing ideas, whereas live you cant even mute your damn phone without causing a stir.

bettyqs · #44 07-08-2007, 12:25 PM

I am so sick of cell phones at the table. Shut the god dam things off. I would love it if they could use blockers in poker rooms. If the cell phone rings, you should be out.

Making ify rules about cell phone use leads to issues like this....just say no and be done with it.

flavio321 · #45 07-08-2007, 12:31 PM

don't these people know how to put it on vibrate?

kerr · #46 07-08-2007, 12:36 PM

How is it an angle shoot when he was ahead on the flop?

mtgordon · #47 07-08-2007, 12:40 PM

I certainly didn't read the whole thread, but you don't need to get a txt message to receive info. You could easily have someone call you every time they think you should call a hand. In which case you could just let the thing ring and make the call. You certainly don't need to look/touch/answer it.

However I'm guessing in this case there was no foul play so I'm fine with the ruling that was given.

Bonified · #48 07-08-2007, 01:23 PM

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Add to fold equity: opp might touch cell phone.

C'mon now. What else is poker going to drop to? Singer is a well known pro. This is such a [censored] line to take in this hand regardless. STFU and play poker. If the guy answered the cell phone, sure. Started texting, sure. But c'mon. This is just absurd to me.

Yes, I understand the letter of the law. But so much of the poker world is your word and the spirit of trust that I have zero respect for somebody who tries to win a pot in this manner, and then handles himself like this after the fact.

Devo

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Good post. [censored] lawyers.

curtains · #49 07-08-2007, 01:33 PM

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Without being there, none of us will really know what happened and if or how the rule was violated. Certainly speaks to the absurdity of having rules that are almost impossible to evenly enforce. I'd like to hear more of Singer's version of events and also the floor's justification for its ruling.

I assume that Singer wasn't angle-shooting and (I hope) that he called for the judgement as soon as he saw the violation, not after he lost the hand.

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I asked about this, I was told that if your phone rang during a hand you could turn it off. I don't see how doing this or stopping it from ringing would be possible without touching it. That isn't talking on the phone or text messaging. I'm really confused what the big issue is here. Do we really think its better to just let the player sit there and have the phone ringing until voice messaging picks up?

So anyway Singer's comments about how he has been told that if you touch your phone during your hand, your hand is dead, is not at all what I was told at the event.

curtains · #50 07-08-2007, 01:34 PM

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I certainly didn't read the whole thread, but you don't need to get a txt message to receive info. You could easily have someone call you every time they think you should call a hand. In which case you could just let the thing ring and make the call. You certainly don't need to look/touch/answer it.

However I'm guessing in this case there was no foul play so I'm fine with the ruling that was given.

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Yeah I mean if they are going to go this far, they may as well make it a penalty to even have your phone ring, thus everyone knows to just keep their phone off at all times while playing.