Still looking for answers from "anarcho-capitalists"

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I assume I'm not alone in wanting to vomit every time I hear a politician talk about "the good of the children" - but that doesn't mean the discussion itself is worthless. When the ACist either can't recognize, or can't acknowledge, that a child in an obviously bad situation is in an obviously bad situation (even one that may need to be judged on a case by case basis), the Darwin effect shines through pretty clearly.

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The person you quoted is not an ACist. FYI.

[AlexM]

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Jogger, what is the point renaming it DC? It just confuses the discussion. The fact that you went out of your way to come up with a new name for something that didnt need a new name really makes me feel like you arent interested in honest debate with us.

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[AlexM]

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calling it ACism is less accurate than calling it DCism

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Even if I agreed with you, it's not as far off as say calling leftists "liberals" and rightists "conservatives." Are you also going to try and "fix" the usage of those words? Maybe you'll accurately call the leftists who want slow and stready change "conservatives" and the rightists who want radical change "liberals?" Do you think doing such a thing is actually productive or just plain confusing?

[bkholdem]

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Jogger, what is the point renaming it DC? It just confuses the discussion. The fact that you went out of your way to come up with a new name for something that didnt need a new name really makes me feel like you arent interested in honest debate with us.

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This has been asked and answered elsewhere pretty thoroughly, but the short answer is simply that calling it ACism is less accurate than calling it DCism, at least with respect to most of the posters on here. I think the "Darwinian" aspect was really driven home for me by this response to this question.

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AC's: What do you see as the ideal, market-driven solution to educating the children of truly uncaring or incompetent parents?

For the sake of discussion, take the example of the six-year-old son (IE, in theory, just about the right age to enter first grade) of a single mother who is both poor and addicted to crack. In ACland, crack will be legal and all education (healthcare too, I guess) will be privately funded. How should society handle the child's situation, if it should intervene at all? Or should he be left to his own devices?

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What's the problem again? A child whose parent hasn't put him in school? Most of the small-govt types you're addressing this question to (myself included) don't believe in compulsory school attendance. The state shouldn't be forcing your kids into school against your will.

So, what should a libertarian/AC society do about a parent who doesn't put their kid in school? The same thing it should be doing now, nothing.

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I assume I'm not alone in wanting to vomit every time I hear a politician talk about "the good of the children" - but that doesn't mean the discussion itself is worthless. When the ACist either can't recognize, or can't acknowledge, that a child in an obviously bad situation is in an obviously bad situation (even one that may need to be judged on a case by case basis), the Darwin effect shines through pretty clearly.

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Everyone can recongize when a child is in a bad situation, including all the ACers.

I happen to recognize that all the childen being raised on government are in a bad situation.

[bkholdem]

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Jogger, what is the point renaming it DC? It just confuses the discussion. The fact that you went out of your way to come up with a new name for something that didnt need a new name really makes me feel like you arent interested in honest debate with us.

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He thinks it is appropriate to hammer home the notion that it is a survival of the fittest approach to life.

[AlexM]

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Jogger, what is the point renaming it DC? It just confuses the discussion. The fact that you went out of your way to come up with a new name for something that didnt need a new name really makes me feel like you arent interested in honest debate with us.

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He thinks it is appropriate to hammer home the notion that it is a survival of the fittest approach to life.

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Which is, of course, completely and totally false.

[AlexM]

Furthermore, your beliefs on what would result from AC are completely irrelevant to what the name should be. Names are based on the beliefs of the people who share the beliefs, not on your "reality." It's like if I were to call socialism "slavism." As far as I'm concerned that would be a much more accurate term, but the name is based on the socialists' beliefs not on mine.

Of course, I've got to wonder... if I started calling socialism slavism, how long would it take for me to get temp banned? Likely double standard there.

[Richard Tanner]

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Jogger, what is the point renaming it DC? It just confuses the discussion. The fact that you went out of your way to come up with a new name for something that didnt need a new name really makes me feel like you arent interested in honest debate with us.

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He thinks it is appropriate to hammer home the notion that it is a survival of the fittest approach to life.

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Which is, of course, completely and totally false.

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Huh? I thought that was the idea.

Cody

[jogger08152]

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Furthermore, your beliefs on what would result from AC are completely irrelevant to what the name should be. Names are based on the beliefs of the people who share the beliefs, not on your "reality." It's like if I were to call socialism "slavism." As far as I'm concerned that would be a much more accurate term, but the name is based on the socialists' beliefs not on mine.

Of course, I've got to wonder... if I started calling socialism slavism, how long would it take for me to get temp banned? Likely double standard there.

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"Collectivism" is a better (IE, more accurate, more specific) term for socialism than socialism is, incidentally.

[Richard Tanner]

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Of course, I've got to wonder... if I started calling socialism slavism, how long would it take for me to get temp banned? Likely double standard there.

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(I can't speak for Iron, obv) I doubt highly you'd get banned. If you made a post saying (a little more in detail): "I think taxation is slavery and socialists who want to tax everyone are really practicing slavism" I doubt very highly you'd get in trouble.

You stated an opinion, provided evidence, and explained yourself. That's about the oppisite of a troll. That's...a good post.

Everyone take a deep breath and chill. I know Poly is serious biz but just relax a little bit. You know what Jogger means when he says "DC" and it's not "Damn Craptacularism". It's not an insult, it's, in his opinion, the truth about what you call AC. He made a post and listed his reasons and ACists took the time to debate with him.

If I didn't know better, I'd guess that you were looking for reasons to go after Jogger.

Cody