AC This Weekend - Player Asks to See My Hand Every Time I Muck

[mce86]

Tip 1: How are you playing and losing to the river so often?
Maybe you should show everyone your losers and get some advice. he probably cant believe he could be beating you at the river so many times. Its a common rule, beat him and ask to see his cards. Most dont use it, and in Indiana the rule is you can ask one time per half hour.

[Lord_Strife]

This is pretty ridiculous. At the card room I work at, we call a shift manager over and he will ask the player if he suspects any sort of collusion to be going on in the hand. If that player says he just wants to see them then the floor person will elect not to show them. This rule has been construed over the years from a prevention of collusion to a right to see them. Players do not have the right to see them, it is a priviledge, one that will only be granted if the floor person deems that to be the case.

[jeffnc]

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Tip 1: How are you playing and losing to the river so often?
Maybe you should show everyone your losers and get some advice. he probably cant believe he could be beating you at the river so many times.

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The idiots *always* come out of the woodwork for questions like these.

[SpleenLSD]

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So I then told him the rule was not there to satisfy his curiosity. Had he invoked the rule one more time I would have asked for the floor to come over. And then again each subsequent time until he either stopped or one of us got moved.

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That's exactly right. I don't allow myself to get angry. I ask very calmly what I did to make them think I am cheating. Usually the person gets flushed and says they aren't accusing me of cheating at which time I explain the rule to them. The dealer always nods in agreement. If it happens a second time call the floor and make the culprit look and or feel like a jerk a little bit more.

[chillrob]

I still just don't get the collusion bit. Almost every time I have seen someone as to see another hand, it was the person who won the hand asking. Very unlikely the winner of a hand suspects collusion. If the rule is really for that reason, the house could have a rule that others involved in the hand could ask if they want, but not the winner of the pot.

[SellingtheDrama]

The only two times I've ever had my hand asked for, I was fairly new to the table (once was going bust my first hand lol) and had played the hand weird.

I've never had someone ask to see my hand out of pure curiosity once I was settled at a table.

[TMTTR]

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I still just don't get the collusion bit. Almost every time I have seen someone as to see another hand, it was the person who won the hand asking. Very unlikely the winner of a hand suspects collusion. If the rule is really for that reason, the house could have a rule that others involved in the hand could ask if they want, but not the winner of the pot.

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In California (where I only played for a few days last summer), on several occassions I heard people other than the winner say "I want to see all hands at showdown." This typically happened when there was unusual aggressive activity on an earlier street and may be the only time that such a request should be honored.

[chillrob]

Yeah I had that same thing happen in CA - it was also a hand with aggressive 3 way betting, although I don't really think the asked suspected collusion; he probably just wanted to know what players' reraising standards were.

[rbenuck4]

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I was at a 20/40 game in the Taj once when I was probably 19 or 20 years old and I won a hand (heads up by the turn) and was curious as to what my opponent had so I asked the dealer to show me his hand and the dealer obliged.

Well, the player got really angry so I decided that every time that he lost a pot at showdown, whether I was in the hand or not, I would ask to see his hand. This put him on a monster tilt and he started playing more and more hands (and losing at showdown more and more often) and within an hour and a half he dropped $1500 on the table before storming out of the room. I probably invoked IWTSTH 10 times during that hour and half.

The thing was, I thought that I was totally in my right to ask to see his hand and I thought that HE was out of line for being so up tight about it. I thought that I did a service to the players at the table by tilting him and did not realize what an ass I was.

Nobody, not the villain, not a single dealer, not the floor, explained to me that the purpose of this rule was to prevent collusion and that invoking the rule is considered tantamount to accusing someone of cheating. Had someone told me this I would have stopped requesting to see the hand.

I thought that what I was doing was 'needling' and that needling was part of the game. But I was young and new to casino poker and if someone had simply told me that I misunderstood the rule then I would have stopped immediately.

Looking back, I find it funny that the villain in the 20/40 game thought that it made more sense to play 50% of the hands that he was dealt as a response to my asking to see his hand, when a simple calm conversation explaining the rule to me would have stopped me immediately and saved him a ton of money.

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Good story, we have all envoked the IWTSTH rule before knowing what it was actually there for. However, I will say that every time someone has called for the rule and I give the typical "It's to prevent collusion" response, that only seems to get the rule called on me more. Maybe I just play with a bunch of a-holes