Michael Moore's new film: Sicko

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As someone who has grown up in two different fully National Health Care systems I am proud to say the thought of anyone paying a single cent for health care makes me sick.

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So, on your planet no one pays for health care? Sky color please.

[Taraz]

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As someone who has grown up in two different fully National Health Care systems I am proud to say the thought of anyone paying a single cent for health care makes me sick.

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So, on your planet no one pays for health care? Sky color please.

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Come on, you must know what he means. Obviously you pay through taxes.

[natedogg]

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The problem with american health care is that too much of the people's money is going to insurance companies and management interests.

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Can you show this? What is 'management interest'? What is the profit margin of a health insurance provider and what are their expenditures? Do you analyze these stocks for a living? It's a pretty sweeping statement to say "we spend too much money" on X when it comes to health care but can you show that? Are the management costs of healthcare significantly higher than for other industries and if so, how much of that is due to regulation? Can you break that down?

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We need to educate more doctors and less actuaries so the cost of medicine will go down.

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If you want more doctors per capita, blame the AMA my friend. All cartels serve against the interests of the consumers.

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First, we have to evict the hospital owners and insurance companies from washington.

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Yes! At last we agree. The sooner we get government's powers of coercion removed from the equation the better. Our health care industry will only improve it's service and quality when faced with fierce unregulated competition for customers.

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[ianlippert]

Watched it tonight. Probably moores least informative and least entertaining movie to date. He must have really loved the crying woman from Farenheit 9/11 cause sicko is basically one big sob story rolled into a bunch of socialist propaganda. Everything is free in France AND they all have great jobs? Where do I sign up?

He also offered no solutions to the political problem of big money controlling the democratic process. He points it out but then puts on some old guy expounding the virtues of democracy. 'We moved the power from the dollar to the voting booth' or some such nonsense. He even briefly explained how Nixon basically created a cartel but then didnt investigate this line of thinking any further. Michael Moore, why do you think that lady's inhaler cost $.05 in Cuba?

[nietzreznor]

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Let me guess, if we just removed government from all this things would be great.

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Don't you think removing government would be beneficial?

In any case, I didn't mention anything about government--a system run solely by large medical corporations and insurance companies sounds bad too. Luckily I think we can have the best of both worlds--no government and no large corporations.

[applejuicekid]

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Watched it tonight. Probably moores least informative and least entertaining movie to date. He must have really loved the crying woman from Farenheit 9/11 cause sicko is basically one big sob story rolled into a bunch of socialist propaganda. Everything is free in France AND they all have great jobs? Where do I sign up?

He also offered no solutions to the political problem of big money controlling the democratic process. He points it out but then puts on some old guy expounding the virtues of democracy. 'We moved the power from the dollar to the voting booth' or some such nonsense. He even briefly explained how Nixon basically created a cartel but then didnt investigate this line of thinking any further. Michael Moore, why do you think that lady's inhaler cost $.05 in Cuba?

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Yeah, I just watched it and pretty much agree with everything you said. I usually like Moore's movies, but this one is not entertaining at all. Like you said he basically just goes to France and talks to people about how awesome their lives are for most of the movie.

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Watched it tonight. Probably moores least informative and least entertaining movie to date. He must have really loved the crying woman from Farenheit 9/11 cause sicko is basically one big sob story rolled into a bunch of socialist propaganda. Everything is free in France AND they all have great jobs? Where do I sign up?

He also offered no solutions to the political problem of big money controlling the democratic process. He points it out but then puts on some old guy expounding the virtues of democracy. 'We moved the power from the dollar to the voting booth' or some such nonsense. He even briefly explained how Nixon basically created a cartel but then didnt investigate this line of thinking any further. Michael Moore, why do you think that lady's inhaler cost $.05 in Cuba?

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Yeah, I just watched it and pretty much agree with everything you said. I usually like Moore's movies, but this one is not entertaining at all. Like you said he basically just goes to France and talks to people about how awesome their lives are for most of the movie.

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I need an answer here. Is the easiest job on the planet still Mr Moore's hair stylist? Pick a hat, good to go.

[owsley]

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If we had some kind of universal health care coverage, people would get a lot more preventative care and we'd stop a lot of these cases from developing.

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O RLY. This is total fantasy.

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I don't see how this is controversial. If doctor's visits were free wouldn't people go more often? If people went more often wouldn't the doctors catch problems in their infancy before they become severe?

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I actually went home and thought about this some more, and I realized you just might be right. There is a way to make this work: all we need to do is find 50,000 or so doctors who are willing to work pro bono. Do that, and your plan just might be perfect.

Health services are not "free." They are really [censored] expensive. And if you let people go to the doctor for "free", (ie make everyone else pay) then people are just going to go more and more often, and how is that going to get paid for? Oh wait, its free. This is absolutely retarded.

how are you going to decide if all this money taxpayers are going to put towards this plan of preventive medicine is worth it? How will you know that the money couldn't be more efficiently spent on something like schools or roads or any other thing?

[ianlippert]

Its more likely that if we had private care you would have to get regular check ups so that your insurance company could reasses your liability to disease on a regular basis. As your health declined your premiums would go up. This would provide a direct economic incentive for people not to engage in unhealthy behaviour, ie smoking and over eating.

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Its more likely that if we had private care you would have to get regular check ups so that your insurance company could reasses your liability to disease on a regular basis. As your health declined your premiums would go up. This would provide a direct economic incentive for people not to engage in unhealthy behaviour, ie smoking and over eating.

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This can be a very troublesome process because essentially you pay insurance premiums while you're healthy to "insure" against being sick, and then when you're sick the insurer says "Hey, you're a bad risk now. Pay up!" It's not really insurance when you lose coverage or get increased premiums after you become ill. "As long as I stay healthy, my insurance is cheap!" is incentive to not buy insurance as opposed to insurance to stay healthy.