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Old 06-25-2007, 02:36 AM
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Default Re: Voluntary mutual aid associations >>government \"solution\"

Bump to see if more then one person will disagree this time around.
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Old 06-25-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: Voluntary mutual aid associations >>government \"solution\"

No one? So everyone agrees on how to solve to health care crisis (except Jogger I guess)?
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:03 AM
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Do you honestly believe that silence = agreement?
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:11 AM
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Do you honestly believe that silence = agreement?

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Do you honestly have no counter-argument?
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:36 AM
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Do you honestly believe that silence = agreement?

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That's what jogger told me when I didn't vote.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:09 PM
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Do you honestly believe that silence = agreement?

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That's what jogger told me when I didn't vote.

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Link please.
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Old 06-27-2007, 02:05 AM
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Do you honestly believe that silence = agreement?

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So you don't agree with social contract theory? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:08 AM
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Do you honestly believe that silence = agreement?

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That's what jogger told me when I didn't vote.

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Link please.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10943504

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I don't vote. So what does that say about my preference?

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Same thing it says about all non-voters: you didn't care enough to bother.

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interestingly, if you read that post, you'll notice that the particular exchange was a jogger hijack, as he moved the discussion away from people voluntarily choosing to not do something that someone else thought would be good for them, and turned it into a discussion about voting. You'll also see, further down, some other classic jogger question-dodging, such as this exchange:

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What happens if I pick whichever one secretly translates to "less regulation" but "more regulation" wins anyway?

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Believe it or not, these positions aren't secret. Spend a little more time participating in democracy and a little less time railing against it. You might find the experience informative.

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Don't answer the question, find a nit and pick it instead.
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Old 06-27-2007, 04:00 PM
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Do you honestly believe that silence = agreement?

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That's what jogger told me when I didn't vote.

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Link please.

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pvn wrote:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post10943504

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pvn wrote:
I don't vote. So what does that say about my preference?

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Same thing it says about all non-voters: you didn't care enough to bother.

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This might be your most intellectually dishonest post so far. Just in case you missed it,

"I don't care" =/= "I agree"

Thanks for lying though. You know, again.

Best regards,
Jogger

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interestingly, if you read that post, you'll notice that the particular exchange was a jogger hijack, as he moved the discussion away from people voluntarily choosing to not do something that someone else thought would be good for them, and turned it into a discussion about voting. You'll also see, further down, some other classic jogger question-dodging, such as this exchange:

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What happens if I pick whichever one secretly translates to "less regulation" but "more regulation" wins anyway?

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Believe it or not, these positions aren't secret. Spend a little more time participating in democracy and a little less time railing against it. You might find the experience informative.

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Don't answer the question, find a nit and pick it instead.

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Pointing out your lies (propogated in an effort to tarnish the voting process by implication that candidates' positions are somehow secretive or furtive, of course) isn't nit-picking, it's simply pointing out your lies. As you no doubt can understand, I prefer to highlight your dishonesty early, rather than allow it to metastasize 20+ posts down the line.

Just as an exercise, see if you can't rewrite your "question" sans the dishonesty and the rhetoric.

Regards,
-J
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Old 06-27-2007, 04:48 PM
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This might be your most intellectually dishonest post so far. Just in case you missed it,

"I don't care" =/= "I agree"

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OK, in that case, you must agree that the results of such elections must not be binding on anyone who does not participate.

"You don't care" = "we have license do to whatever to you" is precisely the basis of the tacit consent doctrine.

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Pointing out your lies (propogated in an effort to tarnish the voting process by implication that candidates' positions are somehow secretive or furtive, of course) isn't nit-picking, it's simply pointing out your lies. As you no doubt can understand, I prefer to highlight your dishonesty early, rather than allow it to metastasize 20+ posts down the line.

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Now you're dodging the accusation of dodging the question by nitpicking over the nitpicking accusation.

Regardless, many candidates DO have secret positions on all sorts of issues. Add to that the fact that you vote for PEOPLE and not ISSUES, and it's patently obvious that no aggregate vote statistics between Monkey X (with positions A, B, and C) and Monkey Y (with positions D, E, and F) can ever "reveal the preferences" of any particular person on any particular issue.

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Just as an exercise, see if you can't rewrite your "question" sans the dishonesty and the rhetoric.

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What happens if I pick whichever one EXPLICITLY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY translates to "less regulation" but "more regulation" wins anyway?

Happy now?
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