A Severe Penalty - This hardly seems a fair outcome. - Page 5

CincyLady · #41 06-09-2007, 07:14 PM

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It's difficult enough maintaining the integrity of the game without allowing ignorance, no matter how innocent, to outweigh what is best for the game. I can't imagine anyone who is that wet behind the ears entering a WSOP game without having had some play in tournaments.

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umm ... can we say Chris Moneymaker?

Chris if you remember, the year he won the WSOP, had never ever played in a live table situation, be it a cash table or a tournament. Remember the famous 'Moneymaker moment' where everyone was waiting on him to act, and he's just staring off into space? That IMO was a direct result of his inexperience at playing at a live table, since online, the computer would tell you it was your turn to act.

So, it does happen, where someone who's only played online, and where the computer takes care of your chips at all times, might be unaware of a rule like that.

Even still, I also know they remind people from time to time during tournaments to NOT take your chips out of the room, or to put them in your pockets.

MicroBob · #42 06-09-2007, 08:11 PM

no kidding.

In 2005 when I went there were a ton of online-qualifiers who had no idea what a string-bet was and stuff like that.
It was clear that a significant percentage of the players at the WSOP had never played live poker in a casino before much less a live tournament.

RR - You seem to be implying that you would have let the guy slide if you were pretty confident that he was a total noob and just didn't know AND that it was confirmed by dealer and players that he really did have $8k in chips.

Confirm?

I'm a bit surprised as I really thought this was a set-in-stone rule that didn't offer any room for adjustment.

I'm actually surprised he was allowed to continue playing with his remaining $700 in chips but I guess that is consistent with the rule that was quoted.

DCJ311 · #43 06-09-2007, 10:07 PM

Bad news for the player, but it would be so much easier to just have special chips made for each WSOP event, as to nullify the problem beforehand.

CincyLady · #44 06-09-2007, 10:12 PM

An example of this very thing (inexperienced internet players) going on today in event #15, the $1,500 event (was going to play in that one today, but work got in the way, hence my interest in it):

http://www.bluffmagazine.com/tournam...e=2&dayof=

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Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:20:56
Floor, Floor, Floor - - New Players Learning the Ropes
Before the break, floor people had their hands full. You could hear "Floor" being called from every direction. Let's see now, if he shows him his cards, does he have to show all? At another table, one player made a string bet, players not even involved in the pot were putting in their two cents. Three floor people were trying to sort it. To make a long story short, after all the fuss, his opponent pushed all-in with , the "string-bet guy" called with pocket queens. The board was no help, and the queens took the pot. Better luck next year.

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Personally I am beginning to think that the fields are larger this year because many players who normally would stay home and play on the internet, can't anymore.

BigSoonerFan · #45 06-09-2007, 10:50 PM

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I'm both a dealer and a floorman. This type of decision decides what kind of player you are. Experienced players understand this is a no-no. But, you have to use common sense. He was not angle-shooting. This is the type of player you want in every tournament. Why do you want to isolate him? In big poker tournaments, ignorance is sometime an excuse for the law. Those chips should have been in play.

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So Men could get an army of new players to pocket chips for him and your common sense would let them get away with it- you cant have different rules for the fish- it sucks to be the guy losing his chips but this isnt some $5 homegame, if I am paying thousands to enter a tournament I want the rules enforced in the strongest way possible

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This rule isn't going to prevent Men's people from putting chips in their pockets. I can't imagine it does anything to prevent cheating.

john voight · #46 06-10-2007, 03:24 AM

He pulled the ol' Men switcharoo

RR · #47 06-10-2007, 04:41 AM

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RR - You seem to be implying that you would have let the guy slide if you were pretty confident that he was a total noob and just didn't know AND that it was confirmed by dealer and players that he really did have $8k in chips.

Confirm?

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If all those conditions were met I would consider letting it slide. Within the last 10 days I allowed a player to keep his chips after thisoccurred even though we remind them at the beginning of the tournament to not do it. I gave him a pass because normally I remind the players when breaking the table and someone distracted me and I didn't give them a warning at that moment.

rgold79 · #48 06-10-2007, 11:47 AM

Every time a table breaks the floor is very clear about keeping all chips in plain sight. Even if you're new to live tournaments there's really no excuse for not following a rule that's been spelled out clearly and explicitly multiple times throughout the tournament.