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[ipp147]

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Full tilt is full of colluders. Especially low-mid stakes 6-max PLO - I have seen with my own eyes.

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is the 200 buy-in involved in this if so pm with names please.


...and literally seen with your own eyes?

[Silent A]

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Full tilt is full of colluders. Especially low-mid stakes 6-max PLO - I have seen with my own eyes.

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Wazz, I'd love to see some examples of this. I'm not interested in names, just examples of collusion.

Editted to add: just to aid me in IDing collusion, of course.

[PLOlover]

hey luckyjim if u lowlimit the tourneys r pretty easy on stars
and ub has some if u like shorter fields.
also stars sngs are pretty easy


as to ft collusion, from the zoo bot threads it seems like FT doesnt mind groups playing from same house, so I would imagine if people are gonna collude theyd do it in a game with more info like omaha rather than one with less info to share like holdem.

[Troll_Inc]

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Wazz, I'd love to see some examples of this. I'm not interested in names, just examples of collusion.


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I don't know why we'd want to protect alleged colluders?

I had an interesting hand at FTP against two people. I checked, MP checked, and then LP bet like 30% of pot. I had good odds to call for some nut draw so I did, but then MP reraised.

As soon as this happened, a 4th person at the table (maybe it was Wazz?), started screaming "Collusion Collusion!!". The funny thing was that since I had like a 14 or 15 out draw, I had the correct odds to call. I did and then hit, and boy was MP pissed. LP immediately got up and left.

The story is pretty worthless without the HH isn't it. I'll try to dig it up.

(BTW, this is only the second time I've ever felt like I was colluded against. Most of the time when something this blatant happens it seems like people are just playing retarted, but you never know....)

[Troll_Inc]

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Troll_Inc [9s 6c Ad Ah]
Jxml calls $1
blunt2535 calls $1
Troll_Inc calls $0.50
TheStienos raises to $5
Jxml folds
blunt2535 calls $4
Troll_Inc calls $4

*** FLOP *** [Ts As 8h]
Troll_Inc checks
TheStienos checks
blunt2535 bets $3
Troll_Inc raises to $15
TheStienos calls $15
blunt2535 calls $12

*** TURN *** [Ts As 8h] [2s]
Troll_Inc checks
TheStienos checks
blunt2535 bets $7
Troll_Inc calls $7
TheStienos raises to $48
blunt2535 folds
Troll_Inc has 15 seconds left to act
Troll_Inc calls $41

*** RIVER *** [Ts As 8h 2s] [Th]
Jxml: looks like teamwork there
Troll_Inc bets $31, and is all in
TheStienos: are u kidding me
TheStienos has 15 seconds left to act
TheStienos: f.uck that i kow have AA, how u call that
TheStienos calls $31

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Troll_Inc shows [9s 6c Ad Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
TheStienos mucks
Seat 1: TheStienos (big blind) mucked [8c 7s Ks Kc] - a flush, Ace high

Jxml typed some more stuff, and this (I had just sat down at table)

Jxml: twice blunt raised the pot so stienos could reraise
Jxml: why bet 7 in a 50 pott?

a few hands later - blunt2535 stands up

[bozzer]

thanks for the answers and links.

can anyone link me to Troll's low limit post? I imagine its 'only draw to the nuts' type stuff right?

I've read SS2, and watched a few CR vids (but not stinger yet). What's wrong with aba's omaha vids?

[wazz]

I was at the western club in west london about a month ago. They're affiliates of full tilt. On the friday night, I saw two people playing the same MTT, 3 computers apart. I asked the manager about it and he said that they weren't colluding because they weren't on the same table, and if they were they would have been separated - fair enough. I also asked what else they or full tilt had in place to stop people colluding, and he admitted that, short of keeping an eye out, they're powerless to stop it within their own club. However, he also stated categorically that 'it doesn't happen here'. Fair enough, again.

The very next night, I saw two guys playing the same two $2/4 6-max PLO tables on adjacent computers, sharing hole cards and not getting involved with each other in pots. I again brought it to the attention of the manager who promptly went straight over to them and said 'that fella there says you guys are colluding..... cool it would ya', for which I got verbally threatened, and I now don't feel welcome there anymore.

I infer that collusion is rife on the FTP low-medium stakes 6-max PLO tables, rightly or wrongly, for a few reasons: 1. I've lost a lot of money at full tilt, almost exclusively playing these tables; 2. some weird things have happened while i've been playing - instacalls of my bluffs - how were you immediately so sure it was a bluff? ; 3. full tilt took over a month and a half to reply to my original email, and basically told me nothing other than 'we're powerless without screennames'; 4. the western club clearly don't give a sh*t; 5. a good deal of the people who play at the western seem like scumbags to me who will take any edge.

[pooflingerr]

Sooooooooo

Pokerstars>FT for Americans

That [censored] sucks cuz I wanted rakeback

[ikestoys]

lol wazz, you list not winning , fish calling your bluffs, FTP didn't respond to your email w/o screen names or examples, something about a western club as evidence of collusion??

did you ever suppose that you just suck at poker?

[wazz]

I'm not ruling anything out