working on my omaha game

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The only way to find out if you're behind is to call

[greywolf]

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i play any KK hand before i play 3345,A332 and similar hands. With a hand like 3345 the flop must come down exactly A23 for you to really like your hand, I do play them in good position though but folding any hand with KK while playing 3345 doesnt make sense.

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you must not be familiar with the raise button, or the bet button. you can use them whenever you like.

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lol. What has that to do with the value of KK vs 3345. I know very well that you can steal alot of pots in omaha.

But i sometimes play against great competion that wont fold too much, against that kind of players i want to be playing hands that flop the nuts more often than low cards like 3345 do. There is just not much value in playing 3345 and the like unless the stacks are deep you are in position and play well postflop. but with those game conditions you can play almost any four. With KK you will flop a set 1 time out of 8,5 flops, losing to AAA is very rare and unimproved KKK is the nuts on some boards.

compare that to 3345 and similar hands where you will either pick up a lots of small pots ( only possible if you opp. folds too much)

or you make big money when 1. you flop quads when your opp. flops overfull. 2. you flop A23 and you opponent holds 45 with no backup and i happy to get it allin. 3.your opponent holds AAA on A23 flop and is happy to build a big pot.

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i play any KK hand before i play 3345,A332 and similar hands. With a hand like 3345 the flop must come down exactly A23 for you to really like your hand, I do play them in good position though but folding any hand with KK while playing 3345 doesnt make sense.

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you must not be familiar with the raise button, or the bet button. you can use them whenever you like.

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lol. What has that to do with the value of KK vs 3345. I know very well that you can steal alot of pots in omaha.

But i sometimes play against great competion that wont fold too much, against that kind of players i want to be playing hands that flop the nuts more often than low cards like 3345 do. There is just not much value in playing 3345 and the like unless the stacks are deep you are in position and play well postflop. but with those game conditions you can play almost any four. With KK you will flop a set 1 time out of 8,5 flops, losing to AAA is very rare and unimproved KKK is the nuts on some boards.

compare that to 3345 and similar hands where you will either pick up a lots of small pots ( only possible if you opp. folds too much)

or you make big money when 1. you flop quads when your opp. flops overfull. 2. you flop A23 and you opponent holds 45 with no backup and i happy to get it allin. 3.your opponent holds AAA on A23 flop and is happy to build a big pot.

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im so glad i started playing omaha. woooooooooooooooooow is all i can say to that

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i play any KK hand before i play 3345,A332 and similar hands. With a hand like 3345 the flop must come down exactly A23 for you to really like your hand, I do play them in good position though but folding any hand with KK while playing 3345 doesnt make sense.

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you must not be familiar with the raise button, or the bet button. you can use them whenever you like.

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lol. What has that to do with the value of KK vs 3345. I know very well that you can steal alot of pots in omaha.

But i sometimes play against great competion that wont fold too much, against that kind of players i want to be playing hands that flop the nuts more often than low cards like 3345 do. There is just not much value in playing 3345 and the like unless the stacks are deep you are in position and play well postflop. but with those game conditions you can play almost any four. With KK you will flop a set 1 time out of 8,5 flops, losing to AAA is very rare and unimproved KKK is the nuts on some boards.

compare that to 3345 and similar hands where you will either pick up a lots of small pots ( only possible if you opp. folds too much)

or you make big money when 1. you flop quads when your opp. flops overfull. 2. you flop A23 and you opponent holds 45 with no backup and i happy to get it allin. 3.your opponent holds AAA on A23 flop and is happy to build a big pot.

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im so glad i started playing omaha. woooooooooooooooooow is all i can say to that

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I dont think greywolf's advice is that off..

[greywolf]

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i play any KK hand before i play 3345,A332 and similar hands. With a hand like 3345 the flop must come down exactly A23 for you to really like your hand, I do play them in good position though but folding any hand with KK while playing 3345 doesnt make sense.

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you must not be familiar with the raise button, or the bet button. you can use them whenever you like.

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lol. What has that to do with the value of KK vs 3345. I know very well that you can steal alot of pots in omaha.

But i sometimes play against great competion that wont fold too much, against that kind of players i want to be playing hands that flop the nuts more often than low cards like 3345 do. There is just not much value in playing 3345 and the like unless the stacks are deep you are in position and play well postflop. but with those game conditions you can play almost any four. With KK you will flop a set 1 time out of 8,5 flops, losing to AAA is very rare and unimproved KKK is the nuts on some boards.

compare that to 3345 and similar hands where you will either pick up a lots of small pots ( only possible if you opp. folds too much)

or you make big money when 1. you flop quads when your opp. flops overfull. 2. you flop A23 and you opponent holds 45 with no backup and i happy to get it allin. 3.your opponent holds AAA on A23 flop and is happy to build a big pot.

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im so glad i started playing omaha. woooooooooooooooooow is all i can say to that

[/ QUOTE ] I have done some thinking and i can not find anything wrong with my post expect that i did not take bother taking position into account. Could you please be so kind and point out whatever part of my thinking process that you find so laughable?

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River bet is bad. Check behind.
As played, I can't see you winning anywhere often enough to make this a call. He has KK really often or quads.
Feels like quads given turn check. If he had bet there, KK or bluff.
If he lead river, bluff or your beat. Here, just beat.

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i play any KK hand before i play 3345,A332 and similar hands. With a hand like 3345 the flop must come down exactly A23 for you to really like your hand, I do play them in good position though but folding any hand with KK while playing 3345 doesnt make sense.

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you must not be familiar with the raise button, or the bet button. you can use them whenever you like.

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lol. What has that to do with the value of KK vs 3345. I know very well that you can steal alot of pots in omaha.

But i sometimes play against great competion that wont fold too much, against that kind of players i want to be playing hands that flop the nuts more often than low cards like 3345 do. There is just not much value in playing 3345 and the like unless the stacks are deep you are in position and play well postflop. but with those game conditions you can play almost any four. With KK you will flop a set 1 time out of 8,5 flops, losing to AAA is very rare and unimproved KKK is the nuts on some boards.

compare that to 3345 and similar hands where you will either pick up a lots of small pots ( only possible if you opp. folds too much)

or you make big money when 1. you flop quads when your opp. flops overfull. 2. you flop A23 and you opponent holds 45 with no backup and i happy to get it allin. 3.your opponent holds AAA on A23 flop and is happy to build a big pot.

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im so glad i started playing omaha. woooooooooooooooooow is all i can say to that

[/ QUOTE ] I have done some thinking and i can not find anything wrong with my post expect that i did not take bother taking position into account. Could you please be so kind and point out whatever part of my thinking process that you find so laughable?

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You could argue this all you want, but in sum:

3345 can be a favorite over KKxx. 3345 will often have greater implied odds than KKxx. KKxx is going to be a lot harder to play correctly for most players, especially OOP.


here's a somewhat biased simulation, although I did give the middle player higher spades, which nullfies 3345's spade draw:

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9s Kc 8d Kh 150855 30.17 349145 69.83 0 0.00 0.302
As Qs Jd Th 165104 33.02 334896 66.98 0 0.00 0.330
4s 3s 5c 3c 184041 36.81 315959 63.19 0 0.00 0.368

just goes to show you that 3345 is a favorite over KKxx in some spots.

point i'm trying to make is basically this:

KKxx is harder to play

3345 has better implied odds

KKxx is usually only a 55-45 favorite HU.

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River bet is bad. Check behind.
As played, I can't see you winning anywhere often enough to make this a call. He has KK really often or quads.
Feels like quads given turn check. If he had bet there, KK or bluff.
If he lead river, bluff or your beat. Here, just beat.

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checking behidn river seems like horrible advice

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im so glad i started playing omaha. woooooooooooooooooow is all i can say to that

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I dont think greywolf's advice is that off..

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