akss in position facing reraise from the blinds...seems close to me.

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

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Call or reraise to 3k are the only options I see.

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mind to eleborate on this ?

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Sure. His raise to 450 from the CO is not anything that will define his hand for his opponent so he's going to get played back at because of his bet and his pos occasionaly by inferior hands or coin flips. If it's a re-steal attempt, then a raise to 3k lets the villian know he's got the real deal. Put the pressure right back. Smaller pairs worry now. If Villian puts him all in then he can decide then. I personally have no problem bet-folding occassionally here to the 4bet if it comes. A stop and go with aces/kings by villian here is the only problem.

I just prefer the raise to 3k over the shove is all... hoping to play after.

[shaundeeb]

shove PF because if flop comes 445 with 2 spades we know you are folding to a c-bet. You miss too often here and 4bet shoving all though an overbet is the best way to win this pot and since you have AK less likely he has AA/KK. Also, with your personal image he prob folds AKo to your shove.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

This is obviously a function of his reraising frequencies: (rough calculation)

EV Push= 2050*(x)+ [(.30)(18000)-9025]*(1-x)
EV fold= 0
EV Call = who the f knows

x= the percent he folds


I just roughly assumed u have 30% equity if called. The EV neutral point is when x= 63%. So if he folds more than that, pushing is better than folding.

I would argue that calling here with AK is the classic terrible situation where you rarely flop a hand and get it in good (you might win a small pot). I much rather push that way if you suck out on QQ or KK you get paid for it, (OR AA F U WSOP 2006). The only great situation is when he has a worse ace and you flop an ace when you woulda gotten a fold for all his chips... Who cares, that happens such a small % of the time. If you add in the times the guy is making a move, then calling becoems just terrible cause he will bluff u on the flop.

I'd say while pushing is not the best feeling in the world, I think it is almost always better than calling in this spot. Whether both options are better than folding is a function of his reraising frequency. Dont get too distracted with the fact that you never really get it in good here because although that is a downside for pushing, there are equally if not more troubling downsides for calling. If the guy is a total rock, then folding is going to be better than both calling and pushing.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

no one folds AK here . do you really play online tourneys?

[shaundeeb]

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no one folds AK here . do you really play online tourneys?

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Since I switched to tourneys no one has played more online tourneys than me.

And people do fold AK pf more than you would think.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

you still have not passed the retard test. You just said
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shove PF because if flop comes 445 with 2 spades we know you are folding to a c-bet

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is that serious? yeah no [censored] its bad idea to call if you are going to fold that flop hahahaha

[shaundeeb]

Due to this hand and his comments which made me laugh a bit and his response later on.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=2#Post9829860

[fsoyars]

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Due to this hand and his comments which made me laugh a bit and his response later on.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=2#Post9829860

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i'm sure you know this but that hand is entirely different. he has very few chips invested in a 3-way, limped pot and only one over. i'd be very surprised if he wasn't shoving AKss over a flop of 445 with 2 spades here.

having said that, i still think a shove is best. matt has a wide restealing range and i hate taking a flop here where you are often in a bad spot when you miss and are facing a cbet. 4betting a lesser amount pf, with a plan to go all the way with the hand regardless of further action is also fine.

[Ansky]

I can't see if anyone has mentioned this... but Mattg tends to play fairly tight as far as those p5s mtt guys go. Dunno how light you can really expect him to be raising here.

[fsoyars]

Full Tilt Poker Game #2098544942: $14,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (15355573), Table 1 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:58:33 ET - 2007/03/29
Seat 1: NH WP GG (13,446)
Seat 2: fsoyars (22,300)
Seat 3: BJKing (19,230)
Seat 4: fried1ton (14,946)
Seat 5: mattg1983 (17,148)
Seat 6: THELAO (18,720)
Seat 7: ersa (18,515)
Seat 8: ItwasuitedAK (9,273)
Seat 9: soggy dogg (6,294)
NH WP GG antes 50
fsoyars antes 50
BJKing antes 50
fried1ton antes 50
mattg1983 antes 50
THELAO antes 50
ersa antes 50
ItwasuitedAK antes 50
soggy dogg antes 50
NH WP GG posts the small blind of 200
fsoyars posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fsoyars [7s 7d]
BJKing folds
fried1ton folds
mattg1983 raises to 1,100
THELAO folds
ersa folds
ItwasuitedAK folds
soggy dogg folds
NH WP GG folds
fsoyars calls 700
*** FLOP *** [5d 4d 4h]
fsoyars checks
mattg1983 bets 1,100
fsoyars has 15 seconds left to act
fsoyars raises to 3,000
mattg1983 raises to 13,575
fsoyars raises to 21,150, and is all in
mattg1983 calls 2,423, and is all in
fsoyars shows [7s 7d]
mattg1983 shows [7h Ad]
mattg1983: yikes
Uncalled bet of 5,152 returned to fsoyars
*** TURN *** [5d 4d 4h] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [5d 4d 4h 9s] [Ah]
fsoyars shows two pair, Sevens and Fours
mattg1983 shows two pair, Aces and Fours
mattg1983 wins the pot (34,846) with two pair, Aces and Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 34,846 | Rake 0
Board: [5d 4d 4h 9s Ah]
Seat 1: NH WP GG (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: fsoyars (big blind) showed [7s 7d] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Fours
Seat 3: BJKing folded before the Flop
Seat 4: fried1ton folded before the Flop
Seat 5: mattg1983 showed [7h Ad] and won (34,846) with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 6: THELAO folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ersa folded before the Flop
Seat 8: ItwasuitedAK folded before the Flop
Seat 9: soggy dogg (button) folded before the Flop

Don't say "this is an entirely different situation," i know that. I also know that one hand doesn't define a guy's style. He'd been pretty aggro at this table for a while. I just think it shows he's capable of makign some "plays" and there's no reason to be cautious with AKss here bc you think Matt has a tight 3betting range.

Also - don't need any discussion on the hand above - not trying to hijack. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]