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Old 03-07-2007, 10:43 PM
Jeff W Jeff W is offline
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<font color="blue"> Except for the fact that A5s is a dog to the set of random hands on a Q 7 6 board. </font>

Explain what you mean by this.

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Board: Qc 7s 6d

Hand 0: .461 { A5s }
Hand 1: .539 { random }

Tighten up his range since he 3-bet and A5s is even worse(66:34 dog vs. pairs, Axs/o, broadways, K9o, K9s-K7s).

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Old 03-07-2007, 10:47 PM
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<font color="blue"> Except for the fact that A5s is a dog to the set of random hands on a Q 7 6 board. </font>

Explain what you mean by this.

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Board: Qc 7s 6d

Hand 0: .481 { A5s }
Hand 1: .519 { random }

Tighten up his range since he 3-bet and A5s is even worse(63:37 dog vs. pairs, Axs/o, broadways, K9o, K9s-K7s).

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jeff, this doesnt take into account for when i "feel" that i have him beat.
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:49 PM
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If you run A5s against other 3-bettable non-ace hands, such as KJs, et al., I'm pretty sure A5s is NOT a dog on a Q76 flop (that's without analysis of simulations, but I'm willing to bet that's right. Again, this from tons of experience playing HU.

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i will take this bet for any amount.

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Now that I'm using my pokerstove, I see that you're right. But poker is not played in a vaccuum, or on a simulator for that matter. I'm still willing to bet that check/folding the flop every time, won't perform as well as mixing it up in a real game. Want to take that bet?

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how daft are you??? that wasn't what Victor ever argued

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Well *NEVER* folding is not what I ever argued! Again, my first response clearly states it might be ok. I only said that ALWAYS folding is terrible.

Ya know what? I'm gonna chalk this whole thing up to a communication gap from hell. I'll even concede that maybe I started it (although I don't ssee how). I really don't care any more. Later all.
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:57 PM
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huhu hands without a history are pointless.

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it seems that most of you have missed the most important post in this thread. let me quote it for you.
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:58 PM
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pbob, your point is stupid. there are plenty of times when history doesnt matter. the most glaringly obv is the first hand of a freakin match.
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:07 PM
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did you forget to c/r ? wayyy to weak imo.
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:16 PM
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pbob, your point is stupid. there are plenty of times when history doesnt matter. the most glaringly obv is the first hand of a freakin match.

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that may be, but this thread has deteriorated into a pokerstove math problem and arguing about whether or not we are behind a random hand. i submit that it doesn't much matter what you do here if it is the first hand of the match.
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Old 03-08-2007, 12:27 AM
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pbob, your point is stupid. there are plenty of times when history doesnt matter. the most glaringly obv is the first hand of a freakin match.

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that may be, but this thread has deteriorated into a pokerstove math problem and arguing about whether or not we are behind a random hand. i submit that it doesn't much matter what you do here if it is the first hand of the match.

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THIS... Might be the most important point of the thread! It really doesn't matter much what you do here if it's the first hand (or played in a vacuum). That was my intended point that got taken all out of context (perhaps my fault for being a poor communicator?).
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:07 AM
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kan someone please explain, if pokerstove shows that we have up to 33 % to win against top 20% from BB - why we dont call, when the pot is laying us 1 to 7 ?

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Old 03-08-2007, 09:24 AM
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FWIW I found a lot of useful content in LeStat's posts unlike the haters' posts. It's sad (or very nice) to see that high stakes poker players cannot really understand how to apply Pokerstove results and the limitations of its use.
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