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Old 02-19-2007, 03:14 AM
shaniac shaniac is offline
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Isn't this hugely +ev for the guy with the million?

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still seems like neutral EV to me....
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:17 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

Well the way you are looking at it, it's really -EV because of the $3 rake. However he's sitting at a million, and if he flips people with 15-50k for a significant amount of time variance will eventually cause the situation to be +ev for the person with the largest stack due to the risk of the strong possibility that the small stack will eventually bust out.
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:19 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

and because this is a tournament, the small stack can never rebuy...def +EV for the big stack
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

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Isn't this hugely +ev for the guy with the million?

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def. big stack bullies the table
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:41 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

genius, wanna stake my for 100/200nl? if i could own your soul at TS, i'm pretty sure i could crush those games
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:41 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

Ok. Honestly someone explain this to me. Is it really +ev, or is it only the illusion of being +ev.

You've got $1,000,000,00.00. Someones got $1k, and offers to roll a 1,000 sided di. If the numbers land on 1-999 you win 1k. If the number lands on 1,000 he win's your million.

The same thing here. The million is gonna bust the short stacks WAY more often, but there's always a chance that shortstack could come back and bust that million however small... but the reward will be that much greater.
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:46 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

wtf genius isnt a 2p2er is he?

one of his best friends at duke is best friends with one of my best friends at dartmouth

yeah, lots of friendship goin on
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:48 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

Wooly, are you serious?

'cmon man. you got 2000+ posts.
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

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Ok. Honestly someone explain this to me. Is it really +ev, or is it only the illusion of being +ev.

You've got $1,000,000,00.00. Someones got $1k, and offers to roll a 1,000 sided di. If the numbers land on 1-999 you win 1k. If the number lands on 1,000 he win's your million.

The same thing here. The million is gonna bust the short stacks WAY more often, but there's always a chance that shortstack could come back and bust that million however small... but the reward will be that much greater.

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I think this is right up your alley: Martingale (betting system)
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Old 02-19-2007, 03:52 AM
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Default Re: Genius (1M) vs Dirksen (100k) flipping

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Ok. Honestly someone explain this to me. Is it really +ev, or is it only the illusion of being +ev.

You've got $1,000,000,00.00. Someones got $1k, and offers to roll a 1,000 sided di. If the numbers land on 1-999 you win 1k. If the number lands on 1,000 he win's your million.

The same thing here. The million is gonna bust the short stacks WAY more often, but there's always a chance that shortstack could come back and bust that million however small... but the reward will be that much greater.

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I agree. The shortstack, starting with 1,000, would build his stack to over 500k after 9 flips. So basically the shortstack needs to win 10 in a row to turn 1,000 into 1 million.

Not sure if i would risk 1 million dollars to win 1,000 even if the odds were that slim.
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