25/50: AA / nut flush deep - Page 5

wazz · #41 11-09-2006, 01:30 AM

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I really don't think stinger was trying to bully me and I think a bluff (with air or a weak draw) was not even a part of his range.

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I'm not suggesting that he would, though I don't think you should ever discount a bluff with pure air if he's a player that is confident in his reads. What I'm saying is that, for me, strong drawing hands that you dominate constitute a large part of a clever aggressive player's range here. I do think that as played the turn is a clear fold, but I also think that if it is a mistake to play the flop superaggressive it's a very small one. I certainly don't like a flop checkraise as I feel it advertises your hand quite a lot unless you follow up very strongly on the turn.

CrushinFelt · #42 11-09-2006, 01:48 AM

I agree a c/r has to be followed by another barrel. If he has 77 you have outs, if he's on a draw (st8 + flush) then you're in shape.

I think this may be the optimal play against a player that a) may likely fold bottom set b) be clever and play strong draws like this c) we still have outs against 77.

gergery · #43 11-09-2006, 02:08 AM

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Have we considered c/r that flop. That way if we want to raise we're putting in the second raise not te third.

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This is defenitly another viable way to play the hand.

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If you check and big stack bets and the shorties fold then checkraising is pretty bad there given stack sizes. You are too deep.

if you check and big stack bets weak or checks and shorties raise then you can checkraise big and that would be ok since you'd have shorties overlay to protect you vs. bigstacks possible set and cant get outplayed. bigstack would have a hard time calling with anything but topset/middleset+draws then.

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CrushinFelt · #44 11-09-2006, 02:43 AM

why is it bad given stack sizes? Just means we have to fire on the turn if he calls

gergery · #45 11-09-2006, 02:51 AM

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why is it bad given stack sizes? Just means we have to fire on the turn if he calls

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because you're offering some great implied odds on your stack with little idea where you and what he has. ie. he bets 700 you raise to 2200. he must call 1500 to win 700pot+700hisbet +2200yourbet+5000yourturnbet, or 8600.

so your giving almost 6:1 implied odds on turn (not to mention river $) for him to hit his hand or hit a scare card, or decide to get ballsy with whatever hand he bet flop with (which wasn't air with 4 opponents and shortstacks). it becomes harder for him to make a mistake

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Stinger88 · #46 11-09-2006, 03:57 AM

ok guys, I'd like to hear what you think of my play as well. My hand was 7733. Should I be raising the flop and willing to get the money in right there? I know I have the current nuts but my hand can be an underdog to a wrap and flush draw and having 2 sets makes my redraws limited.

Silent A · #47 11-09-2006, 04:45 AM

I don't think you had much choice here and I doubt anyone here will disagree. As it stands, many good players here would have been willing to stack off as a 38/62 dog. That alone should more than cover any chance that you're up against a perfect hand.

heresjohnny · #48 11-09-2006, 10:46 AM

I think you both played the hand well.

theBruiser500 · #49 11-09-2006, 03:11 PM

"You are also getting called with a few hands that you have dominated."

a big part of the problem here is that IMO this isn't true

theBruiser500 · #50 11-09-2006, 03:17 PM

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ok guys, I'd like to hear what you think of my play as well. My hand was 7733. Should I be raising the flop and willing to get the money in right there? I know I have the current nuts but my hand can be an underdog to a wrap and flush draw and having 2 sets makes my redraws limited.

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as i said above, because of the board and only 2 cards of it working to make straight draws even against his best possible draw you are even money

7d 3d 7h 3h 394 48.05 426 51.95 0 0.00 0.480
5s Ac 4c 6d 426 51.95 394 48.05 0 0.00 0.520