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#41
07-19-2006, 01:56 PM
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Re: Obfuscation
Try this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. 
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#42
07-20-2006, 11:27 AM
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Coupla more
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Try this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield [/ QUOTE ] Thanks. And now let me emphasize the operative part in the text which you provided : [ QUOTE ] "Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals." [/ QUOTE ]The Lebanese are not of the same nationality as the Israelis. The Lebanese civilians are the "protected persons" as far as the Israelis are concerned, according to the above. The Lebanese civilians enjoy the protection afforded to "protected persons" under the Geneva Convnetion Protocols - when in the hands of Israelis. That's all.
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#43
07-20-2006, 01:55 PM
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Re: Coupla more
Seems that you are the only person in the world that things that the useof human shields is legal.
According yo your logic it is 100% legal for the Hizballah to use a Lebanease civilian as a shield when fighting since they are not in the hands of another party. Interesting interpretation.
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#44
07-20-2006, 02:00 PM
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Re: Let\'s run a sim
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I happen, on the other hand, to be able to produce numerous examples of Palestinians who had members of their family executed by the resistance organisations for being "traitors" or "informers to the Zionist enemy" and who subsequently started working for the Israelis as, indeed, informers or even outright collaborators. [/ QUOTE ] So he WILL blame Hizballah and fight against them.
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#45
07-20-2006, 04:28 PM
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Incompreh
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[ QUOTE ] I happen, on the other hand, to be able to produce numerous examples of Palestinians who had members of their family executed by the resistance organisations for being "traitors" or "informers to the Zionist enemy" and who subsequently started working for the Israelis as, indeed, informers or even outright collaborators. [/ QUOTE ] So he WILL blame Hizballah and fight against them. [/ QUOTE ]Can you understand English well? Is there another language you want me to put this in? Read back what I wrote, carefuly this time.
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#46
07-20-2006, 04:45 PM
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Cross examination
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Seems that you are the only person in the world that things that the use of human shields is legal. [/ QUOTE ]I understand your frustration. But it's not my fault if you do not read the text in the links you provide! If you had, you'd have seen that the definition of "protected persons" is irrelevant to the current situation in Lebanon. "Protected persons" are those of different nationality than the party in charge. That text has nothing to do with the war crime of using human shields. Hezbollah is to be condemned for such a tactic, without qualification, if and when Hezbollah does that. But your text is clumsily irrelevant to that. Get it now? [ QUOTE ] According yo your logic it is 100% legal for the Hizballah to use a Lebanease civilian as a shield when fighting since they are not in the hands of another party. Interesting interpretation. [/ QUOTE ]I show that your argument A has nothing to do with situation X and you are countering that I condone X. Stupid interpretation.
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#47
07-20-2006, 07:41 PM
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Re: Talk to the hand
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Your smirk ignores the possibility that he places the blame where it belongs, and takes out some Hezbollah terrorists. No less likely than your range of hands if his family was non-Hezbollah. [/ QUOTE ] OMFG, you didn't even read the link or the thread! This is not lebanon. This is gaza.
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#48
07-20-2006, 08:11 PM
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Re: Here\'s your terrorist recruitment center
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[ QUOTE ] Lets see how you feel if 9 members of your family are killed. Live in someone else's shoes before you judge them. [/ QUOTE ] If 9 of my family members were killed because Mexico was attacking, I might want to enlist in the US Army, but I would not feel I was justified in retaliating by blowing myself up on a bus filled with Mexican civilians. I guess you would, pity you have so little respect for human life. [/ QUOTE ] Lol. I'm not for suicide bombings, and I don't believe they are justifiable, but there's a reason people use that tactic rather than joining the military for revenge. I'll give you a hint: would you rather be in the US Army invading Mexico, or in Lebonese Army invading Israel?
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#49
07-20-2006, 09:01 PM
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Re: Coupla more
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[ QUOTE ] Try this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield [/ QUOTE ] Thanks. And now let me emphasize the operative part in the text which you provided : [ QUOTE ] "Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals." [/ QUOTE ]The Lebanese are not of the same nationality as the Israelis. The Lebanese civilians are the "protected persons" as far as the Israelis are concerned, according to the above. The Lebanese civilians enjoy the protection afforded to "protected persons" under the Geneva Convnetion Protocols - when in the hands of Israelis. That's all. [/ QUOTE ] "of which they are not nationals" modifies "occupying power", to clarify that civilians of an occupying power cannot expect protection. It does not modify "Party to the conflict".
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