Found "time pot" really annoying

[Central Limit]

I regularly play at the Borgata in games with time pots and I personally feel that it would be an improvement if time pots were abolished. 99% of the players disagree with me, so I don't make a fuss about it.

I just can't keep track of when it's a time pot and when it's not. When you play in a game where they do two time pots and each pot must exceed some number of bets before it counts as a time pot, it's insanse. And God forbid there is some player who prefers to pay his own time involved in the pot. Then, five hands later, the guy who puts up the money for the time pot says "hey, I think I forgot to collect time on that second pot."

Time pots are nice when things are running smoothly, but they're just not worth the aggrevation when they're not.

Some points on chopping:

1. Chopping is an agreement between players. The casino is not involved and any arrangement is ad hoc. There are no rules governing when and how chopping should be done. The custom has evolved to where most players expect you to either always chop or always play, but I don't see why this should be. I see nothing wrong with looking at your cards, seeing Jack-four and saying "Want to chop?" The other player can always say "no."

2. When games get short handed, chopping pots is ridiculous. In three or four handed games, fighting over the blinds is half the action. If you eliminate that, there is almost no point in playing.

So some people won't chop short handed. Makes sense. But then when a game fluctuates between four, five and six handed, you can never remember when you're chopping and when you're not. Again, a simple convention has made things *more* complicated for me.

3. I don't like to be in a situation where the guy on my left does not chop and the guy on my right does chop. When this happens, I'm playing my small blind out of position against the big blind and chopping my big blind. This is a disadvantage. So, I don't like to chop with the guy on my right when the guy on my left wont chop. But then if he leaves and is replaced by someon who will chop, now I don't mind chopping with the guy on my right. Confusing.

4. So, for a long time, I wouldn't chop at all. It just made things simpler to always play. that was until I was playing in a $100-$200 O8 game with a half kill on any scooped pot where there was a flop. I called in the small blind. Big blind checked. Flop came. I bet. BB folded. So, I scooped the pot and had to put out $150 kill. So now I prefer to chop in games with a kill.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

You may be right about your points. All I have to go by are the games I have played in that collect time and the games I have dealt where time is collected. In my personal experience time pots were way more trouble than they were ever worth. Admittedly the majority of the time pot games I've dealt in were at the WSOP so you should naturally expect that the percentage of nits, jerks and a-holes would be considerably higher than normal.

Al

[*TT*]

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You may be right about your points. All I have to go by are the games I have played in that collect time and the games I have dealt where time is collected. In my personal experience time pots were way more trouble than they were ever worth. Admittedly the majority of the time pot games I've dealt in were at the WSOP so you should naturally expect that the percentage of nits, jerks and a-holes would be considerably higher than normal.

Al

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The time pots I played in at the WSOP were in the 100/200 level, and it was all handled by the dealer so the players didn't even have to think about it (and usually they didn't even notice it, there was no nitty behavior at all) - it was very convenient IMHO, 1 million times easier than what occurs at places like the Borgata in AC.

[betgo]

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You may be right about your points. All I have to go by are the games I have played in that collect time and the games I have dealt where time is collected. In my personal experience time pots were way more trouble than they were ever worth. Admittedly the majority of the time pot games I've dealt in were at the WSOP so you should naturally expect that the percentage of nits, jerks and a-holes would be considerably higher than normal.

Al

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The time pots I played in at the WSOP were in the 100/200 level, and it was all handled by the dealer so the players didn't even have to think about it (and usually they didn't even notice it, there was no nitty behavior at all) - it was very convenient IMHO, 1 million times easier than what occurs at places like the Borgata in AC.

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I don't mind a time pot at 100/200, but at 20/40 it is a significant portion of the pot and effects the action. So much fairer to just collect time.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

That's funny because I found the 100-200 level to be where the players really stepped up and exceeded all previous standards of nittyness and a-holedom. Except for O-8 where the super nits and mega jerks start shining at the 75-150 kill to 100-200 game.

There is one high limit woman player who was a sweetheart, and I get along with you fine (though I haven't dealt to you that I can recall). Other than that just about all of them make a good case for flooring it whilst driving my Dodge. In the immortal words of Al Bundy.. "When you see that mighty Dodge emblem bearing down on you..".

[Wongboy]

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You should never chop in a 5/10 and under LHE game. If it looks like the opportunity might arise, find a new game.

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QFT.

I play $4/$8 to $8/$16 limit and most 4-6 hour sessions I will see at most 3-4 blind chops at the table. If I am involved in more than 1, it is usually a sign of a bad table.

[*TT*]

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That's funny because I found the 100-200 level to be where the players really stepped up and exceeded all previous standards of nittyness and a-holedom. Except for O-8 where the super nits and mega jerks start shining at the 75-150 kill to 100-200 game.

There is one high limit woman player who was a sweetheart, and I get along with you fine (though I haven't dealt to you that I can recall). Other than that just about all of them make a good case for flooring it whilst driving my Dodge. In the immortal words of Al Bundy.. "When you see that mighty Dodge emblem bearing down on you..".

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Al - sometimes I wonder if you forget in your posts dealers are there to provide a service to the players, dealers are replaceable and shouldn't have an opinion if the players are acting like nits in the game. I know its a part of your "internet persona" to scream bloody murder, but there are topics like this one where I think you might be crossing the line from being funny to expressing your honest opinion - and if so then I think your heads in the wrong place this time. If the player(s) are berating the dealer unfairly then thats a different story of course, at which point your absolutely right.

Generally if the players make any dealer feel like flooring your Dodge, then that dealer needs to either look at themselves and what they are doing wrong, or quit the job IMHO. The 100/200 players and above have a lot invested in their session and are wagering more in a hand than most dealers make in a few days - I think they have a right to be nitty if they choose to be, its their money, the dealer is employed to service the players not the other way around.

[psandman]

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That's funny because I found the 100-200 level to be where the players really stepped up and exceeded all previous standards of nittyness and a-holedom. Except for O-8 where the super nits and mega jerks start shining at the 75-150 kill to 100-200 game.

There is one high limit woman player who was a sweetheart, and I get along with you fine (though I haven't dealt to you that I can recall). Other than that just about all of them make a good case for flooring it whilst driving my Dodge. In the immortal words of Al Bundy.. "When you see that mighty Dodge emblem bearing down on you..".

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Al - sometimes I wonder if you forget in your posts dealers are there to provide a service to the players, dealers are replaceable and shouldn't have an opinion if the players are acting like nits in the game. I know its a part of your "internet persona" to scream bloody murder, but there are topics like this one where I think you might be crossing the line from being funny to expressing your honest opinion - and if so then I think your heads in the wrong place this time. If the player(s) are berating the dealer unfairly then thats a different story of course, at which point your absolutely right.

Generally if the players make any dealer feel like flooring your Dodge, then that dealer needs to either look at themselves and what they are doing wrong, or quit the job IMHO. The 100/200 players and above have a lot invested in their session and are wagering more in a hand than most dealers make in a few days - I think they have a right to be nitty if they choose to be, its their money, the dealer is employed to service the players not the other way around.

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Whether its your job to provide a service to others or not, nobody likes to be around unpleasant people. It might be my job to deal to a bunch of nits, but that doesn't mean I have to like them, and can't criticize their nittiness on my free time.

But its not just tha might not like nits. Its that they often go out of there way to make dealing more difficult.

One thing I always do when i sit in a time collection game is ask what the players are doing as far as paying their own or taking a time pot. Often the outgoing dealer will not give a complete answer -- if he just says they are taking a time pot but doesn't tell me what size pot qualifie still need to ask the players. Yet inevitably when I ask the players I will get multiple answers.

I'll get one guy telling me it comes out of the first pot. Another who tells me its the first pot with $300 in it. Another who will tell me its the first pot with $500. Now all of them want me to shut up and deal, but none of them want to get agree on what size pot qualifies for a time pot. I don't care if you want a time pot or not, just get your act together and don't give me grief about iton't make my job more difficult and we'll get along fine. In fact your playing a big enough game that if you don't make my job more difficult you won't hear another peep from me. I'll do my down and move on.

[pfapfap]

Al may have laid on the hyperbole, but I don't see how it's wrong not to like annoying people? The attitude of "that person is here to provide a service and deserves no more respect than a lap monkey" is more offensive to me than exaggerated humorous ranting. Just because you're spending lots of money doesn't give you the right to treat someone like a second-class citizen. I'm not saying you're doing that, *TT*, but it seems like you're on a slippery slope with lines like "we're betting more per hand than you make in half a week". Do you feel that gives someone license to be a jerk? Isn't that rather classist, in the unclassiest way possible?