Negreanu borrows $100,000 in HSP

[Rottersod]

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So, what point are you trying to make? You keep arguing both sides.

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While I concede that loans in the big game are standard fare and the players involved are as good as gold, there is something about DN that strikes me as odd. He is definately a genius and a great poker player but I sense he is a sick gambler too. He says he is up $1.7 million for the year in poker but does not include HSP, his heads up Winn matches (although he has said he is ahead there too) and golf bets. He said he recently lost an undisclosed amount in golf that would make you "sick".

He obviously has made lots of money in and out of poker and borrowing $100,000 from Laak is no big deal. Its just that my experience with unprepared, shoot from the hip, loose cannons with gambling problems, like DN appears to be, is they usually implode sooner or later.

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That goes without saying. I think most people here just knew this and didn't need it pointed out to them.

[Joe O]

Daniel is not a sick gambler. He does like to gambool, like all high stakes players, but I'm sure he has it under control. He doesn't play casino games, and his sports bets are always four figures or low five figures. That's 3 BB for him.

Lately he has been wagering a lot on the golf course, but those bets are designed to be 50/50 propositions. That's the whole point of giving strokes. He trusts the people he plays with, and while there might be a lot of variance, the bets are pretty close to neutral ev.

As for the loans, I'm afraid that the standards of behavior among professional poker players are set by professional poker players, not numbskulls on internet forums.

[Mark1808]

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Daniel is not a sick gambler. He does like to gambool, like all high stakes players, but I'm sure he has it under control. He doesn't play casino games, and his sports bets are always four figures or low five figures. That's 3 BB for him.

Lately he has been wagering a lot on the golf course, but those bets are designed to be 50/50 propositions. That's the whole point of giving strokes. He trusts the people he plays with, and while there might be a lot of variance, the bets are pretty close to neutral ev.

As for the loans, I'm afraid that the standards of behavior among professional poker players are set by professional poker players, not numbskulls on internet forums.

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This is a vey good point and one I did not previously consider.

[RowdyZ]

The horse is dead. If you have any compassion you will stop beating it. Geez

RZ

[Equidae]

WHY ARE YOU SOOOOOO WORRIED ABOUT THIS??????

[AJackson]

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Ok from what i have read lending money is pretty common for the big game players.
barry g actually got custom oversized chips from "blue chip" with players picture and name on them so they know who owes money to who.

and he didnt buyin for a million this year because veryone bought in for the minimum this year and he prolly didnt think it was worth it

and why do you keep mentioning gus hansen? he had a bad run in the big game but he has recovered and still plays in the game

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I had heard he left the country after the WSOP last year and had to give Doyle a stake in his online venture to repay a loan. I don't know this to be true, I just heard it from a couple of sources. I didn't see him entered in any WPT events after that either. I saw he was back at Bellagio this past weekened so he is no doubt back on his feet.

If these guys bank rolls were as deep as people thought they would not be leaving the country. When you run out of money because you were on a bad run it means you were playing over your bank roll. He is not the only one.

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Due to visa issues Gus can only spend limited time in the US. He may have had to do what you heard to settle his debt, but don't use him leaving the US as evidence.

[wrschultz]

I'm sure Negreanu has markers from Greenstein... Flack probably does also for that matter.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, Greenstein had a bunch of chips made with a bunch of the big players faces on them, and they are basically an IOU for whoever ends up with them.

[nath]

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I'm sure I don't understand how the big boys work, but I would never borrow money to play poker.

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Standard.

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I realize its standard becauuse Buss borrowed $50,000 from Negreanu, but as a business man it seems like you should bring the amount of cash you are prepared to lose.

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No, he means it's standard that you don't understand how high stakes players roll, and that your position on borrowing money is the exact opposite of theirs, because you are not a high stakes player, and probably never will be.
In short, he's calling you an idiot.

[Tornado69]

DN keeps all his $ at the Bellagio in a safe deposit box. They are playing at the Palms which is a different casino where he can't get at his money as freely so he borrows 100k ontop of the 200-300k he already brought. What is the big fukin deal ? These guys loan each other $ all the time it's no big deal. Jesus some people look way to much into this heh. Negreanu's worth millions and you think he's gonna rip Laak off 100k and have a scum reputation in the poker world which he's been apart of for 10 years ? Right ...

[marchron]

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I had heard he left the country after the WSOP last year and had to give Doyle a stake in his online venture to repay a loan. I don't know this to be true, I just heard it from a couple of sources.

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I heard he has balls the size of grapefruits. I heard he waxes his scrotum. I heard he drinks the blood of virgins. I heard he has a throne and is carried everywhere he goes by a team of midgets. I heard he farts nitrous oxide.

I don't know these to be true, I just heard them from a couple of sources.