UTG standards...with warm legs...

[TheHip41]

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You're UTG and the 3 players to your left are tightish. The blinds are loosish. Do you come in raising with..

1. AJ ?
2. KQs ?
3. 66 ?
4. A9s ?
5. AT ?
6. KJs ?
7. A8s ?
8. KTs ?
9. KQ ?
10. A7s ?
11. A9 ?
12. KJ ?
13. 55 ?
14. QJs ?
15. K9s ?

By the way this is not a random list. It is specifically ordered according to...

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I fold A7s, K9s, 55, A9o, and KJo

These are all losers UTG.

QJs is close, but I hate folding it, so I raise.

[TheHip41]

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He always mucks KTo in the HJ in the vids I have seen.

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I can't remember the last time I mucked KTo in the HJ or KJo UTG. I might start mucking KTo if 2 players better than me are doing it.

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KJo utg is a long term loser for just about everyone, just about no one knows it though. same goes for KTo in the HJ

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I am 33/23 overall and 29/21 5-6 handed. The reason for this is not opening a lot UTG and MP but that my ATSB is 45

[sethypooh21]

Since I have my DB handy and am noodling, here's my results UTG 6/5 handed - Now, my DB is 125k hands, so the numbers don't mean a whole lot just yet esp for the suited hands, but just to get the ball rolling, empirically speaking:


1. AJ +.07 / +.69
2. KQs +.20 / +.20
3. 66 +.91 / -.12
4. A9s +.27 / -.14
5. AT +.63 / +.06
6. KJs +.81 / +.52
7. A8s -.17 / +1.01
8. KTs +1.05 / -.09
9. KQ +.19 / +.21
10. A7s +.26 / -.25
11. A9 -.00 / +.02
12. KJ +.20 / -.01
13. 55 -.20 / +.10
14. QJs +.86 / +1.13
15. K9s -.16 / -.10

And a few others of interest

A8o -.11 / +.01
A6s +.57 / +.11
JTs +.13 / +1.42
KTo -.06 / -.45
QJo +.05 / +.47
QTs +1.00 / +.14
44 -.59 / -.29

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"I can't remember the last time I mucked KTo in the HJ or KJo UTG. I might start mucking KTo if 2 players better than me are doing it"

And what your PT say about this hand??

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I only have 136k hands in my DB, but with KTo in the HJ I'm losing (.32), and with KJo UTG I'm winning .71. Probably not very meaningful at that sample.

I am going to remove KTo from the HJ unless the situation warrents playing, but if I remove KJo from UTG I wonder if my range will be a bit too tight UTG. My default UTG is AT+, A7s+, 66+, JTs+. Does anyone prefer adding hands like T9s and J9s in place of KJo?

[Oink]

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Does anyone prefer adding hands like T9s and J9s in place of KJo?

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Yes! And 55 (As debated) and 98s also

[TheHip41]

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"I can't remember the last time I mucked KTo in the HJ or KJo UTG. I might start mucking KTo if 2 players better than me are doing it"

And what your PT say about this hand??

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I only have 136k hands in my DB, but with KTo in the HJ I'm losing (.13), and with KJo UTG I'm winning .71. Probably not very meaningful at that sample.

I am going to remove KTo from the HJ unless the situation warrents playing, but if I remove KJo from UTG I wonder if my range will be a bit too tight UTG. My default UTG is AT+, A7s+, 66+, JTs+. Does anyone prefer adding hands like T9s and J9s in place of KJo?

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i raise JTs first in all the time. I mix in T9s as well. J9s utg is a little loose, but i'd rather have J9s than KJo

[UtzChips]

I don't like pairs under 8s UTG in a semi-lose/aggressive game.
Looking at 6s....
I'll open with A8s,K9s,QTs,T9s,J9s,ATo,KJo,QJo,88+
Let's say I'll open with 66+ and my opponents have my range UTG pegged.
The chances of at least one of the players in CO,Button, or blinds having a hand in that range is (including 66+):
54.16%. When I am up against that range with 66, I am a 44.8/55.1 Dog. So, playing 66 in the HJ is going to find me as an Underdog 54%, against at least one player.

Therefore, when you play 66 UTG/HJ, you need some other kind of equity, i.e. postflop play or your opponents calling your raise with a wider range. However, if they are calling your raise with a wider range in the Blinds, then you are up against at least 2 opponents almost all the time.

Consider the fact that decent open/raise hands in the CO include things like K7s,Q8s,87s,97s,J8s, there are a lot of hands they could be calling you with in the Blinds and Button that give them two overs to your 66. Notice how few overs they have to 88 however.

[UtzChips]

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OK so I guess me opening JTs and QTs sometimes UTG is no good...

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JTs is down at 57.51% heads-up against the deck. Way overated shorthanded.

QTs is 59.44%.

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I wonder if Texas Turbo Hold Em would be good for trying out different hands UTG in the a 6 handed game.

[UtzChips]

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"I can't remember the last time I mucked KTo in the HJ or KJo UTG. I might start mucking KTo if 2 players better than me are doing it"

And what your PT say about this hand??

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I only have 136k hands in my DB, but with KTo in the HJ I'm losing (.13), and with KJo UTG I'm winning .71. Probably not very meaningful at that sample.

I am going to remove KTo from the HJ unless the situation warrents playing, but if I remove KJo from UTG I wonder if my range will be a bit too tight UTG. My default UTG is AT+, A7s+, 66+, JTs+. Does anyone prefer adding hands like T9s and J9s in place of KJo?

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i raise JTs first in all the time. I mix in T9s as well. J9s utg is a little loose, but i'd rather have J9s than KJo

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Heck, those are all hands I'll open/raise with on occassion in the 7th & 8th seat, in a 10 handed game. Except KJ that is.