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#1
09-13-2007, 03:17 PM
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80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
villian is 60/20/4 only 25 hands. No good reads. Wasnt quite sure whatwas best line on river??
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.40/$0.80 5 players Converter Stack sizes: Hero: $162 CO: $53.30 Button: $156.80 SB: $131.75 BB: $100.55 Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 4 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets $0.8</font>, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10</font>, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls. Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($42, 3 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets $0.8</font>, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $30</font>, SB calls, BB folds. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($102.8, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets $0.8</font>, Hero ?? 
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#2
09-13-2007, 03:27 PM
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Re: 80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
personally, I wimp and just call the river. Villain's range is monsters/draws (that have a minimum of showdown value) and wtf stuff... the last is uncommon enough (like Q7os that calls on river) that I'm just calling. The draws fold and the monsters, of course, reraise you all in.
It's strange, because I'd value bet the river if checked to, and I treat minbets on other streets as if it's a check. But hard experience tells me that a minbet on 3 streets is not worth raising... When called, it's always a better hand. Man, I wish I knew what was going on in their heads when they do this though.
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#4
09-13-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: 80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
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villain's range is absolutely anything, I raise for value against this guy all day [/ QUOTE ] weak TP is definitely in the range, I raise. If its weak 2 pair props.
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#5
09-13-2007, 04:12 PM
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Re: 80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
Guys, theory is fine, and I absolutely 100% agree in theory to raising here -- but damn, I don't think I've ever, ever, ever been good here in practice when I've raised with a 1 pair hand and been called.
Not ever, not once -- just never. Okay, maaaaaybe once.... but it's happened a gazillion times...
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#6
09-13-2007, 04:22 PM
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Re: 80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
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River: 4 ($102.8, 2 players) SB bets $0.8, Hero ?? [/ QUOTE ] Wow, that had to make you puke just a bit. After 2 good raises, he does it again? I think you just have to call and then punch yourself in the face when he tables Q4o.
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#7
09-14-2007, 06:20 PM
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Re: 80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
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villain's range is absolutely anything, I raise for value against this guy all day [/ QUOTE ] I see FD a lot here, could have made 2 pairs but I might raise river too. Like this hand, obv I seen the results now, but i see this bet low call big pattern a lot with erm gentleman callers drawing. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com UTG ($49.75) MP ($26.05) Hero ($49.25) SB ($49.20) BB ($52.35) Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.75. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: ($2) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, BB calls $15. Turn: ($38) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30.75 (All-In)</font>, BB calls $30.75. River: ($99.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $99.50 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has 4s Qs (flush, king high). Hero has 8c Kc (two pair, kings and eights). Outcome: BB wins $99.50. </font> Regards Mack
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#8
09-14-2007, 06:32 PM
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Re: 80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
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I see FD a lot here, could have made 2 pairs but I might raise river too. Like this hand, obv I seen the results now, but i see this bet low call big pattern a lot with erm gentleman callers drawing. [/ QUOTE ] In your example villian bets larger than pot on flop and gets it AI on the turn...completely different. My hand guy donks/calls flop and turn which IMO screams some type of draw. And certainly villian isnt callin a river raise on a missed draw.
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#9
09-14-2007, 06:39 PM
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Re: 80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
Yeah I agree, if you think he's smart enough to do the folding thing with FD that made a poor one pair hand, then it's a call, but a lot of them will call with those hands.
Mack
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#10
09-14-2007, 06:42 PM
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Re: 80NL - gettin MINdonked into all 3 streets??
shox It sounds like you are sayin the stack sizes shouldnt even be takin into consideration?? good players shouldnt think of spots as "money" but unfortunately your opponents do and are less likely to call here IMO w/ a 1 pair b/c of how expensive it is...and you say 200BB is nothing in this game?? I have to totally disagree, its completely different than the typical 100BB NL. Ive played over 120k (yes not a whole lot) hands at deep stack poker and it plays soo much different than 100BB NL.
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