Pokerstars - 6max players get shafted when it comes to FPPs

[PatInTheHat]

[ QUOTE ]
The only reason it looks different is because you're basing it on MGR. That's why it looks like Full Tilt players get hosed playing six max with bonus and rakeback.


[/ QUOTE ]

How do 6 max FT players get hosed? If anything it looks like you would do very well with RB playing 6 max there.

[StarRain]

I would be really appreciaed if anyone could estimate the figures for $3/$6, $5/$10 & $10/$20 Fixed Limit full ring games. Or let me know how to calculate it then I will get samples for you all [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[HSB]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The only reason it looks different is because you're basing it on MGR. That's why it looks like Full Tilt players get hosed playing six max with bonus and rakeback.


[/ QUOTE ]

How do 6 max FT players get hosed? If anything it looks like you would do very well with RB playing 6 max there.

[/ QUOTE ]

I said it looks like they get hosed. At full ring, bonus + rakeback works out to about 71% of rake returned. At six max, it's like 53%. But at six max, it's actually a higher percentage of the rake taken off the table. It just looks worse because at six max the MGR is one sixth of the rake taken off the table rather than one ninth and the bonus is released on straight rake rather than MGR.

[grando]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The only reason it looks different is because you're basing it on MGR. That's why it looks like Full Tilt players get hosed playing six max with bonus and rakeback.


[/ QUOTE ]

How do 6 max FT players get hosed? If anything it looks like you would do very well with RB playing 6 max there.

[/ QUOTE ]

I said it looks like they get hosed. At full ring, bonus + rakeback works out to about 71% of rake returned. At six max, it's like 53%. But at six max, it's actually a higher percentage of the rake taken off the table. It just looks worse because at six max the MGR is one sixth of the rake taken off the table rather than one ninth and the bonus is released on straight rake rather than MGR.

[/ QUOTE ]

what? your bolded statement makes no sense

obviously 6max players get shafted at FT if they only get back 53% of rake as opposed to 71% with full ring players

this would imply that, if both tables got raked $100, the 6max players would pay $47 of rake, but full ring would only pay $29

[HSB]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The only reason it looks different is because you're basing it on MGR. That's why it looks like Full Tilt players get hosed playing six max with bonus and rakeback.


[/ QUOTE ]

How do 6 max FT players get hosed? If anything it looks like you would do very well with RB playing 6 max there.

[/ QUOTE ]

I said it looks like they get hosed. At full ring, bonus + rakeback works out to about 71% of rake returned. At six max, it's like 53%. But at six max, it's actually a higher percentage of the rake taken off the table. It just looks worse because at six max the MGR is one sixth of the rake taken off the table rather than one ninth and the bonus is released on straight rake rather than MGR.

[/ QUOTE ]

what? your bolded statement makes no sense

obviously 6max players get shafted at FT if they only get back 53% of rake as opposed to 71% with full ring players

this would imply that, if both tables got raked $100, the 6max players would pay $47 of rake, but full ring would only pay $29

[/ QUOTE ]

The 53% and 71% aren't percentages of the rake, they are percentages of the MGR which is equal to rake divided by number of players at the table.

I'll post an example in a moment that illustrates the point.

[KinkyKid]

Everyone has been making suggestions to PokerStars and Full Tilt on how to become better so as to get our business...Do you all realize the poker landscape has changed? Yes, they'd love our business. And yes, they are staying open because they want our money. But really, there are two major sites staying open to Americans and its where most of us will play. I think Tilt could get rid of rakeback and Stars could get rid of their point program and a lot of us would still play there.

Evolution of our opinion of Stars:

We love Pokerstars, they have decent software and great support, better than Party Poker.

What Lee? You're on the fence about closing shop to Americans? This sucks, really wish you'd stay.

Oh my God, you're staying! This is f*ing awesome.

Um, hey customer service...we'd like a better rakeback-esque program because yours is not to our liking. If you don't change, we'll leave.

So leave already, head to Full Tilt or Absolute...I hear WPEX has no rake, I'm sure that guarantees the fish.

Flame on.

[HSB]

Picture two players, one playing six max, one playing full ring. Both players sit at tables where $5,400 in rake is taken.

SixMax: $5400 in rake means 5400 points which means 324 in bonus and 900 in MGR. MGR - Bonus = 576. 27% of 576 = 155.52. Total received back by player is 155.52 + 324 = 479.52 which is 53.28% of MGR and 8.88% of the rake taken at the table.'

FullRing (9 players): $5400 in rake means 5400 points which means 324 in bonus and 600 in MGR. MGR - Bonus = 276. 27% of 276 = 74.52. Total received back by player is 324+74.52 = 398.52 which is 66.42% of MGR which looks better than six max but it's actually 7.38% of the rake taken off the table.

[schwza]

by my calcs over 3k+ hands, 1/2 6m NL PS fpps are worth ~$2.15/100. anybody know what it is for FT?

also, do they even have the same rake structure?

[lotus guardian]

[ QUOTE ]
Picture two players, one playing six max, one playing full ring. Both players sit at tables where $5,400 in rake is taken.

SixMax: $5400 in rake means 5400 points which means 324 in bonus and 900 in MGR. MGR - Bonus = 576. 27% of 576 = 155.52. Total received back by player is 155.52 + 324 = 479.52 which is 53.28% of MGR and 8.88% of the rake taken at the table.'

FullRing (9 players): $5400 in rake means 5400 points which means 324 in bonus and 600 in MGR. MGR - Bonus = 276. 27% of 276 = 74.52. Total received back by player is 324+74.52 = 398.52 which is 66.42% of MGR which looks better than six max but it's actually 7.38% of the rake taken off the table.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you're looking at the problem from the wrong angle.

Yes, the 6-max players will receive more money back in your example, but they are also paying more money. What matters is not how much you receive back, but how much you're paying to play. In your example the 6-max players are paying $420 while the FR players are only paying $201, so short handed clearly get screwed.

[HSB]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Picture two players, one playing six max, one playing full ring. Both players sit at tables where $5,400 in rake is taken.

SixMax: $5400 in rake means 5400 points which means 324 in bonus and 900 in MGR. MGR - Bonus = 576. 27% of 576 = 155.52. Total received back by player is 155.52 + 324 = 479.52 which is 53.28% of MGR and 8.88% of the rake taken at the table.'

FullRing (9 players): $5400 in rake means 5400 points which means 324 in bonus and 600 in MGR. MGR - Bonus = 276. 27% of 276 = 74.52. Total received back by player is 324+74.52 = 398.52 which is 66.42% of MGR which looks better than six max but it's actually 7.38% of the rake taken off the table.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you're looking at the problem from the wrong angle.

Yes, the 6-max players will receive more money back in your example, but they are also paying more money. What matters is not how much you receive back, but how much you're paying to play. In your example the 6-max players are paying $420 while the FR players are only paying $201, so short handed clearly get screwed.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're really only paying the rake that comes out of the pots you win and you're getting more of that back at six max than at full ring.