54s vs. Reg

[orange]

that was the only hand that i've seen him really play postflop. all the other ones were like std raise/calls with overpairs and the like.

also, i dont really think that hand was TOO horribly played. i usually bet the turn but mmmm.

[Ajahn]

Seems like the guy is totally weak and passive, and he then obviously has you crushed here with most likely a higher flush or some boat monster.

[goofyballer]

I was trying to clarify since I use the word "line" in multiple contexts. And I just don't think that "we played our hand strongly but zomg he still wants to check-raise" is a good enough reason to lay down a hand like this getting fairly sick odds when we can't put him on a hand. It would be one thing if it was a PSB for us to call, but it's not even close to that. The crux of your argument appears to be that yeah, 78% of the time he's showing up here with a huge hand that he played super badly and bizarrely...I just don't believe that's gonna be the case.

and fwiw, I respect you a lot as a strat poster (I remember you helping me out in small stakes limit years ago when I first started playing poker) so don't take any of this the wrong way, I just disagree with your view of this hand.

EDIT: Oh, and I think it's important to balance your calls in this spot so villains will learn to respect your three barrels more.

[Nick Royale]

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I was trying to clarify since I use the word "line" in multiple contexts. And I just don't think that "we played our hand strongly but zomg he still wants to check-raise" is a good enough reason to lay down a hand like this getting fairly sick odds when we can't put him on a hand. It would be one thing if it was a PSB for us to call, but it's not even close to that. The crux of your argument appears to be that yeah, 78% of the time he's showing up here with a huge hand that he played super badly and bizarrely...I just don't believe that's gonna be the case.


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Yeah I think we'll have to disagree on this. i also have a pretty hard time putting him on a hand calling to the river that he'll turn into a bluff. It's basically that we have different estimation on how often this is a bluff. I actually do think the "we played our hand strongly but zomg he still wants to check-raise"-argument weight pretty heavy just from judging from my experience of those situations.

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and fwiw, I respect you a lot as a strat poster (I remember you helping me out in small stakes limit years ago when I first started playing poker) so don't take any of this the wrong way, I just disagree with your view of this hand.


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Not taking it the wrong way, it's been a good discussion.

Btw I tend to sometimes come off as arrogant b/c I have usually refuse to agree with anyone, hope that's ok [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Melchiades]

He is not checkraising a hand for value that we beat, when is the last time you saw someone checkraise trips or a straight on a flushed paired board for value at 200NL. Wtf, am I playing in completely different games than you guys? People at this level sooooooo rarely CR the river as a bluff. Particulary when hero has shown strength at every street. Since all we beat is a bluff, easy fold.