Is it wrong to listen to Nazi bands?

[luckyjimm]

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As long as you're listening to them for free and they don't receive a dime, and you're not sharing this music with any impressionable people, sure why not.

Btw, Consolidated rocked! Talked to those guys after a few shows, I liked them in thier earlier days before they became so anti-meat. Still, good music and cool folks.

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Yes, they had some good songs. The anti-gun one was great. You Suck (with the Yeastie Girls) was funny. But they were SO extreme in their politics - hard hard hard left.

Not the best example but I remember the intro to one of their songs was a woman saying "If a woman wants an abortion, for any reason, that's a good enough reason." Even as a very liberal 16 year old I found myself thinking "Hang on a minute..."

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You count that as very liberal?

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Yes - the speech on the song was meaning "if a woman wants an abortion - just as she might want a Coca Cola - that's reason enough for her to have one." Of course, I'm in favour of abortion being available as a last resort where necessary. But not as a substitute for contraception, not used without thought, without being aware that it's a weighty thing to do. Not used as a consumer choice.

[wtfsvi]

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Yes - the speech on the song was meaning "if a woman wants an abortion - just as she might want a Coca Cola - that's reason enough for her to have one."

[/ QUOTE ] I haven't heard the song, but I think you probably misunderstood their meaning. More like, "just as she might want to not let you have sex with her" or "just as she might want to decide for herself if she wants to give away a kidney to someone". I'm not trying to make a statement about abortion or turn it into an abortion debate, but I think that was most likely what they meant.

[TheDudeAbides]

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So, the two considerations I believe are a) the artist's intent, and, b) genre. For example the comic metal band GWAR have some horrible lyrics about serial killers, but it's part of a death/glam metal genre and you realise it's part of an act. Similarly with the goth bands, their Occult/Nazi references are part of a scene's "dark" image and not really reflecting their beliefs.

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This argument is flawed on so many levels. DUCY?

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Yes, you're right - the Nazi bands are also "just part of a scene", as are the gangster rappers, etc. So that's no excuse. How about "the politics, beliefs and and behaviours of the musicians I listen to does not reflect my politics, beliefs or behaviour"?

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I don't know if it's possible to separate the artist from the art. Especially these days. I think that just by association you are condoning their belief system.

The big difference between a band like GWAR and these douchebags is that GWAR doesn't take themselves seriously. They don't actually believe in what they sing about.

[Georgia Avenue]

this was almost a good thread...

op should have stuck to good bands that flirt with facist/racist imagery instead of outright nazi bs

check this out all:

http://rougebaiser2.free.fr//romeo.mp3

Good Christian Death song that starts out REAALY wacko.

[Gobias Ind.]

You seriously are one of, if not my favorite poster in a long long time. At some point in your posts, whether it be the title, reply, or payoff line in-between, I LOL at something you say. And the avatar just makes it funnier

[rutang]

racist lyrics I think are good



This is a warning, another cut to move on
Another beat that's so strong
Hold on and I get wicked and then some,
Stirr up [censored] as the wit gets wisdom
P-Dog comin' up, I'm straight loc,
Pro-black and it ain't no joke
Comin' straight from the mod that broke [censored] last time
Now I'm back with a brand new sick rhyme
So black check time and tempo
Revolution ain't never been simple
Following the path from Allah for know just
Build your brain and we'll soon make progress
Paid your dues, don't snooze or lose
That came with the masterplan that got you
So know who's opposed to the dominant dark skin
Food for thought as a law for the brother man

P-Dog with a gift from heaven
Tempo 116.7
Keeps you locked in time with the program
When I get wild I pile on dope jams
Then spit on your flag and government
Cause help the black was a concept never meant
[censored] please, foodstamps and free cheese
Can't be the cure for a sick disease
Just the way the devil had planned it
Rape then pillage everyone on the planet
Then give 'em fake gods at odds with Allah
Love thy enemy and all that hooplah
Hear close the words I wrote
Crack cocaine is genocide of black folk
Who in they right mind ever coulda missed this
Damn right when you think seditious
And I move swiftly, you can't get with me
The triple six moved quick but missed me
When I came off involved in conscience
So don't ask why next time I start this

Now let's get wild, allow me to freestyle
I build and fill your mind up with know-how
Common sense, a defense to next time
A pig tried to step to this, listen
Never let someone work on ya
They don't belong to they set you from
Ya can't be intrigued by the leads a pig lead
Unless you don't give a [censored] to be free
Keep stompin' on, keep stompin'
Attitude but I ain't from Compton
I can't be [censored] around or muffed around
I can't be held down, check the sound
And keep in tuned on point on target
The revolution won't be thwarted
A set back, cause my man it's plain to see
Must end to white surpremacy
So let the rhythm roll on while I kick this
Brothers gonna work it out, with a quickness
And now you know just why a panther went crazy
The devil made me...



Paris calls whites Devils nonstop in his music. my favorite lyric of his is...

So bad to hate somebody else/
But much worse to hate yourself/
Victim to the mentacide of the double-wide/

I don't see how loving Paris's anti-white music is any different from loving whatever nazi, anti-semetic music you might be digging. The real problem is that all the anti-semites are terrible musicians.

[Knuckles]

I stopped listening to Rage once I understand them for the Marxist bastards they are.

As far as Nazi bands go, I wouldn't be listening to them and I would seriously doubt the intentions of anyone who listens to them. Forget all this context bs, they are glorifying a movement that killed 6 million people. When your listening to this music for whatever reason your tacitly supporting their message. If you are buying there CDs then you are actively supporting Nazis.

[Runkmud]

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racist lyrics I think are good



This is a warning, another cut to move on
Another beat that's so strong
Hold on and I get wicked and then some,
Stirr up [censored] as the wit gets wisdom
P-Dog comin' up, I'm straight loc,
Pro-black and it ain't no joke
Comin' straight from the mod that broke [censored] last time
Now I'm back with a brand new sick rhyme
So black check time and tempo
Revolution ain't never been simple
Following the path from Allah for know just
Build your brain and we'll soon make progress
Paid your dues, don't snooze or lose
That came with the masterplan that got you
So know who's opposed to the dominant dark skin
Food for thought as a law for the brother man

P-Dog with a gift from heaven
Tempo 116.7
Keeps you locked in time with the program
When I get wild I pile on dope jams
Then spit on your flag and government
Cause help the black was a concept never meant
[censored] please, foodstamps and free cheese
Can't be the cure for a sick disease
Just the way the devil had planned it
Rape then pillage everyone on the planet
Then give 'em fake gods at odds with Allah
Love thy enemy and all that hooplah
Hear close the words I wrote
Crack cocaine is genocide of black folk
Who in they right mind ever coulda missed this
Damn right when you think seditious
And I move swiftly, you can't get with me
The triple six moved quick but missed me
When I came off involved in conscience
So don't ask why next time I start this

Now let's get wild, allow me to freestyle
I build and fill your mind up with know-how
Common sense, a defense to next time
A pig tried to step to this, listen
Never let someone work on ya
They don't belong to they set you from
Ya can't be intrigued by the leads a pig lead
Unless you don't give a [censored] to be free
Keep stompin' on, keep stompin'
Attitude but I ain't from Compton
I can't be [censored] around or muffed around
I can't be held down, check the sound
And keep in tuned on point on target
The revolution won't be thwarted
A set back, cause my man it's plain to see
Must end to white surpremacy
So let the rhythm roll on while I kick this
Brothers gonna work it out, with a quickness
And now you know just why a panther went crazy
The devil made me...



Paris calls whites Devils nonstop in his music. my favorite lyric of his is...

So bad to hate somebody else/
But much worse to hate yourself/
Victim to the mentacide of the double-wide/

I don't see how loving Paris's anti-white music is any different from loving whatever nazi, anti-semetic music you might be digging. The real problem is that all the anti-semites are terrible musicians.

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You should try some Public Enemy, they did it first, and better.

[luckyjimm]

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this was almost a good thread...

op should have stuck to good bands that flirt with facist/racist imagery instead of outright nazi bs

check this out all:

http://rougebaiser2.free.fr//romeo.mp3

Good Christian Death song that starts out REAALY wacko.

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Yes, you're right. I clouded the issue by mentioning Prussian Blue, just because I was watching them on TV, when really there is no way you'd like them on musical grounds. And my thread title is misleading. What I really meant, or should have meant, is "Is it okay to like bands who make use of offensive/shocking political imagery?"

To which I think the answer is "Yes, if it's good music. Art is meant to shock us."

Death in June are a great band, and central to this discussion. Check them out on YouTube.

[luckyjimm]

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You seriously are one of, if not my favorite poster in a long long time. At some point in your posts, whether it be the title, reply, or payoff line in-between, I LOL at something you say. And the avatar just makes it funnier

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Ha ha, why thank you!