Gentleman, give it to me straight, do you think the sky is falling?

[Valsuvious]

But seriously.. I think that the players have gotten a lot tougher... or else I just totally suck even worse than I used to... cause lately I cannot get anything going in any tournament.

Cept for you know... usually when I have a huge advantage on someone and that ever so common runner runner straight/flush hits me. Been happening so much lately I'm wondering if it's just me that sucks or what the deal is.

[bonds25]

The games seem fine on party. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[tendog]

Yeah i think it makes sense that the high stakes cash games would toughen up first as its alot more inconvenient to get a big sum of of money to a poker site.

Donkament field sizes are down about 10 - 20 percent in the last couple of weeks. i dont think it would be incorrect to assume almost all of them were losing players.

it also seems like the players are quite a bit tighter. this is very bad at the start of a tourney not necessarily so bad at the end of one. but yes i think people's ROIs will definitely take a bit of a hit.

[Clayton]

IIRC theres still lots of fish from other parts of the globe

the sky is only falling if you a marginally winning tournament player or are just not a good cashgame player in general

im looking forward to LA/vegas this summer and possible a tour of europe EPT style next year. cashgames wooyay.

[Bob Loblaw]

[ QUOTE ]
The sky has fallen.

[/ QUOTE ]

wtf are you talking about. Poker has grown SO [censored] MUCH the past two years it was natural for something to happen to suddenly throw the growth off for a while. This will stop growth for the near future, and probably even set us back a month or so but the million isn't gonna lose it's guarantee.

adanthar is being levelheaded; and locotus is [censored] out of his mind. business as usual.

[BadgerPro]

[ QUOTE ]
well with 180s they have gottin redic harder with the dropoff, which is surprising because the same 15-20 people are reg for all of them hasn't changed but those who 2-3 table the taggy players who are breakeven barely are filling up the tourneys thus reducing the awful players who are wayyy -ev.

[/ QUOTE ]

I find these still pretty easy:

PokerStars Game #8353794103: Tournament #42565427, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/02/09 - 11:27:13 (ET)
Table '42565427 14' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: dimmy1 (1245 in chips)
Seat 2: sons0136 (1610 in chips)
Seat 3: TitideParis (4390 in chips)
Seat 4: eaglesfaan1 (2580 in chips)
Seat 5: ivy690 (5015 in chips)
Seat 6: UVF-FGAU (8155 in chips)
Seat 7: Nocturnick (5055 in chips)
Seat 8: boobit (6065 in chips)
Seat 9: BadgerPro (5650 in chips)
BadgerPro: posts small blind 100
dimmy1: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BadgerPro [Ts Td]
sons0136: folds
TitideParis: folds
eaglesfaan1: folds
ivy690: folds
UVF-FGAU: folds
Nocturnick: folds
boobit: folds
BadgerPro: raises 400 to 600
dimmy1: raises 645 to 1245 and is all-in
BadgerPro: calls 645
*** FLOP *** [6d Th 9d]
*** TURN *** [6d Th 9d] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [6d Th 9d 8d] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BadgerPro: shows [Ts Td] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)
dimmy1: shows [Qd 3c] (a pair of Nines)
BadgerPro collected 2490 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2490 | Rake 0
Board [6d Th 9d 8d 9c]
Seat 1: dimmy1 (big blind) showed [Qd 3c] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: sons0136 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TitideParis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: eaglesfaan1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ivy690 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: UVF-FGAU folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Nocturnick folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: boobit (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BadgerPro (small blind) showed [Ts Td] and won (2490) with a full house, Tens full of Nines

PokerStars Game #8353819481: Tournament #42567784, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/02/09 - 11:29:50 (ET)
Table '42567784 7' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: CLC66 (910 in chips)
Seat 2: digitonal (1255 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerrdp666 (4340 in chips)
Seat 4: BadgerPro (2995 in chips)
Seat 5: sleepy3_21 (1145 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: Ms Humboldt (1540 in chips)
Seat 7: paulo38 (1645 in chips)
Seat 8: seajeeper (1050 in chips)
Seat 9: anakin17 (1635 in chips)
pokerrdp666: posts small blind 50
BadgerPro: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BadgerPro [7d 3c]
sleepy3_21: folds
Ms Humboldt: calls 100
paulo38: folds
seajeeper: calls 100
anakin17: calls 100
CLC66: calls 100
digitonal: calls 100
pokerrdp666: calls 50
BadgerPro: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kh 9c]
pokerrdp666: checks
BadgerPro: checks
Ms Humboldt: checks
seajeeper: checks
anakin17: checks
CLC66: checks
digitonal: checks
*** TURN *** [4h Kh 9c] [Kd]
pokerrdp666: checks
BadgerPro: checks
Ms Humboldt: checks
seajeeper: checks
anakin17: checks
CLC66: checks
digitonal: checks
*** RIVER *** [4h Kh 9c Kd] [7c]
pokerrdp666: checks
BadgerPro: checks
Ms Humboldt: checks
seajeeper: checks
anakin17: checks
CLC66: checks
digitonal: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerrdp666: shows [6h 6c] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
BadgerPro: shows [7d 3c] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
Ms Humboldt: mucks hand
seajeeper: mucks hand
anakin17: mucks hand
CLC66: mucks hand
digitonal: mucks hand
BadgerPro collected 700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Board [4h Kh 9c Kd 7c]
Seat 1: CLC66 mucked [5c 5h]
Seat 2: digitonal (button) mucked [Ac 2c]
Seat 3: pokerrdp666 (small blind) showed [6h 6c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 4: BadgerPro (big blind) showed [7d 3c] and won (700) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 5: sleepy3_21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ms Humboldt mucked [6d Ah]
Seat 7: paulo38 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: seajeeper mucked [6s As]
Seat 9: anakin17 mucked [Jd Ad]

[LearnedfromTV]

Interesting thread in NVG, posted by Brandon Adams, called "Everyone's Going Broke in 2007":

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post9107414

My thoughts are in there.

I'm in the cautiously optimistic camp. Brandon, um, is not.

[Valsuvious]

Badger.. i'm seriously sending you some major hate looks right now showing me those two hands. If someone were to call me down with your first hand, I guarantee that the flop would have a queen in it and no ten, or the turn/river would give him a straight

[BadgerPro]

[ QUOTE ]
Badger.. i'm seriously sending you some major hate looks right now showing me those two hands. If someone were to call me down with your first hand, I guarantee that the flop would have a queen in it, or the turn/river would give him a straight

[/ QUOTE ]

I fully expected him to hit his diamond flush on the river.

[BadgerPro]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Badger.. i'm seriously sending you some major hate looks right now showing me those two hands. If someone were to call me down with your first hand, I guarantee that the flop would have a queen in it, or the turn/river would give him a straight

[/ QUOTE ]

I fully expected him to hit his diamond flush on the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

I finshed well though:

PokerStars Game #8354166090: Tournament #42565427, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/02/09 - 12:02:53 (ET)
Table '42565427 14' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: mr zeven7 (5368 in chips)
Seat 2: sons0136 (5839 in chips)
Seat 3: TitideParis (4710 in chips)
Seat 6: UVF-FGAU (12498 in chips)
Seat 7: Nocturnick (7755 in chips)
Seat 8: boobit (6630 in chips)
Seat 9: BadgerPro (4495 in chips)
mr zeven7: posts the ante 25
sons0136: posts the ante 25
TitideParis: posts the ante 25
UVF-FGAU: posts the ante 25
Nocturnick: posts the ante 25
boobit: posts the ante 25
BadgerPro: posts the ante 25
BadgerPro: posts small blind 200
mr zeven7: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BadgerPro [Kd Kc]
sons0136: folds
TitideParis: folds
UVF-FGAU: folds
Nocturnick: raises 800 to 1200
boobit: folds
BadgerPro: calls 1000
mr zeven7: raises 4143 to 5343 and is all-in
Nocturnick: folds
BadgerPro: calls 3270 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [2s 3s 9d]
*** TURN *** [2s 3s 9d] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [2s 3s 9d 5h] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BadgerPro: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)
mr zeven7: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Aces)
BadgerPro said, "lol"
mr zeven7 collected 10315 from pot
boobit said, "argh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10315 | Rake 0
Board [2s 3s 9d 5h Ac]
Seat 1: mr zeven7 (big blind) showed [Qd Ad] and won (10315) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: sons0136 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TitideParis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: UVF-FGAU folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Nocturnick folded before Flop
Seat 8: boobit (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BadgerPro (small blind) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings