Ken Miller: scientist and believeing Catholic

[vhawk01]

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What kind of evidence are you looking for exactly? What would be sufficient?


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I don't know, it's not my hypothesis. What would be sufficient to prove creation to you?

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Of course nothing. You should know better than that.

[NotReady]

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The fact that creationists do not have a falsifiable position should concern them if they want to pretend they are arguing honestly.


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Aren't you the least bit concerned that evolution is non-falsifiable?

[vhawk01]

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The fact that creationists do not have a falsifiable position should concern them if they want to pretend they are arguing honestly.


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Aren't you the least bit concerned that evolution is non-falsifiable?

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Hmm? Creationists unwittingly give us all sorts of ways that evolution would be falsified. For example, a dog giving birth to a cat.

[madnak]

Evolution is falsifiable. If a new species were to appear in the middle of Times Square tomorrow, we'd have to adapt the theory. It's hard to completely falsify evolution, given that we have numerous real examples, that the mechanics of DNA support it, that the mathematics of selection make it inevitable in any reasonable setting, etc...

[tpir]

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Aren't you the least bit concerned that evolution is non-falsifiable?

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100% incorrect. Assuming you are talking about biological evolution, it is most certainly falsifiable. Where did you hear that it wasn't?

Now, "evolution" in the general, vague sense, not sure, never really thought about it since it appears to be part of "how stuff works", but I don't see why the entire concept wouldn't be falsifiable to some degree.

[vhawk01]

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Evolution is falsifiable. If a new species were to appear in the middle of Times Square tomorrow, we'd have to adapt the theory. It's hard to completely falsify evolution, given that we have numerous real examples, that the mechanics of DNA support it, that the mathematics of selection make it inevitable in any reasonable setting, etc...

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Good point. The theory is, in practice, pretty much only "alterable" and not really falsifiable. But thats really only because there is so much evidence and support for the theory that it is extremely difficult to imagine the type of new evidence that would demand entirely scrapping the whole theory and replacing it with a better one.

[madnak]

God declaring, "Haha, the whole science of biology is just a trick I played on you guys! Aren't I cool?"

[vhawk01]

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God declaring, "Haha, the whole science of biology is just a trick I played on you guys! Aren't I cool?"

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Obv you mean Satan.

[bluesbassman]

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Aren't you the least bit concerned that evolution is non-falsifiable?

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Aren't you the least bit concerned you won't stop beating your wife?

Just off the top of my head, here are a few pieces of evidence which, if found, would falsify evolution:

* If a fossil of a mammal dated to have lived 600 million years ago were found.

* If many (fossils of) species were found which combined characteristics of different nested groupings.

* If phylogenetic trees independently inferred from morphology and molecular sequences did not match.

[NotReady]

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Evolution is falsifiable.


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Christianity is falsifiable. Produce the bones of Christ.