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Cry Me A River · #**471** 05-11-2007, 11:17 PM

Chicken,

Basically,

You earn VPP for raked hands. The formula's a little messy so I won't get into it.

Your VIP level is determined by how much VPP you earn per month (or per year in the case of SuperNova and SuperNova Elite).

You earn FPP based on your VPP earned multiplied by your VIP level. For example, at Gold, FPP=VPP*2. (At Bronze, the default level, FPP=VPP)

You can spend FPP to buy stuff from the Stars store. There are bonuses available in the store, and that's why everyone refers to it as rakeback however if there's any merchandise you want you can sometimes get a better rate of return on your points, particularly if you consider sales tax (because you don't pay sales tax on Stars sore purchses which you would at a regular store) ie: When I got my TV I got way better value than any of the bonuses.

This thread does a lot of the math:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...&PHPSESSID=

chicken10der · #**472** 05-11-2007, 11:25 PM

Thanks. Just a few Q's:

What is MGR?

Is $.015 per FPP just an estimate based on the value of items/bonuses you can buy at the store? Is that base FPPs?

Once you begin generating VPPs, does that increase the value of each base FPP even moreso?

Cry Me A River · #**473** 05-11-2007, 11:36 PM

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What is MGR?

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Monthly Gross Revenue.

If you were getting 27% rakeback at FTP(?) you were getting 27% of your MGR back.

It's the amount of rake collected devided by the number of players in the hand. For example, if you played a hand with 8 other players and the rake was $1, the MGR is $.11.

It's actually immaterial at Stars, it's only used as a comparison to other sites, like FTP, which base their rakeback on MGR.

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Is $.015 per FPP just an estimate based on the value of items/bonuses you can buy at the store? Is that base FPPs?

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It's based on the $1500 Supernova Bonus. This bonus costs 100,000 FPP. So 1FPP=$.015.

If you're only Gold or Platinum and you choose to buy a smaller bonus you won't get as good a rate of exchange (Only Supernova or better can buy the $1.5K bonus). If you're going to eventually become a SuperNova and you're going the bonus route (as opposed to merchandise) it's better to wait until you can get the big bonus.

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Once you begin generating VPPs, does that increase the value of each base FPP even moreso?

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Only once you hit new VIP levels.

When you start out at Bronze, you get 1FPP for every VPP you generate.

When you hit Silver you get 1.5FPP for every VPP you earn.

At Gold you get 2FPP for every VPP you earn.

Etc.

It doesn't matter how you generate VPPs - tournament fees, high limit, low limit. Whatever. It's all the same. However, at micros it can be difficult to generate VPPs.

BadLieutenant · #**474** 05-12-2007, 12:19 AM

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Don't go broke in an unraised pot?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($176.10)
BB ($108.90)
UTG ($93.40)
UTG+1 ($77.30)
Hero ($100)
MP2 ($55.55)
CO ($128.25)
Button ($121.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls $1, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4, MP2 raises to $12, Button folds, SB raises to $80, BB folds, Hero raises to $99, MP2 calls $42.55 (All-In), SB calls $19.

Turn: ($257.55) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($257.55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $257.55

Results in white below:
SB has Qs Ks (high card, king).
Hero has 6h 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
MP2 has Jd Td (two pair, jacks and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $257.55.

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I was SB in this hand lol.

GrandMelon · #**475** 05-12-2007, 01:50 AM

Decided to take advantage of the whole Stars promotions thing and played a ton of hands today.Kind of a weird day as every time I seemed to get something going Id drop a few BIs and start over. Cant complain as I made some cash and got A TON of FPPS being that Im Supernova(I think like over 25k but Im not sure)

TheProdigy · #**476** 05-12-2007, 01:58 AM

Ran like crap this whole month..Decided to play a lot of hands today for me(because once summer comes I'm gonna be a pokerboy like machine)..It went okish

SoCalRugger · #**477** 05-12-2007, 05:16 AM

I finally had a night where I didn't get my ass kicked. It's about time something good happened this month.

1p0kerboy · #**478** 05-12-2007, 01:42 PM

I absolutely [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] the weekends.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($99.35)
MP2 ($98.40)
CO ($157.25)
Button ($73.85)
SB ($96.60)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($62.60)
UTG+1 ($329.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
6 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, SB raises to $50, Hero raises to $117, SB calls $45.60 (All-In).

Turn: ($214.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($214.60) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $214.60

Results in white below: 
SB has Ah As (one pair, aces).
Hero has 4d 8c (two pair, eights and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins $214.60.

Cry Me A River · #**479** 05-12-2007, 01:44 PM

Usually when I slowplay like this it bites me in the ass when villain's PP hits the 2 outer or he goes runner runner.

Not this time!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($34)
CO ($100.40)
Button ($235.25)
SB ($112.90)
Hero ($103.95)
UTG ($66.15)
UTG+1 ($21.50)
MP1 ($67.15)
MP2 ($60.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($4) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: ($20) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $20, CO raises to $60, Hero raises to $94.95, CO calls $31.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $206.35

Results in white below:
Hero has 5c Ks (full house, fives full of kings).
CO has 2s 2d (full house, twos full of fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $206.35.

1p0kerboy · #**480** 05-12-2007, 01:46 PM

Cry-

Zeebo!!!1

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