***SSSH Official NC/LC Thread September*** - Page 48

yourface · #**471** 09-12-2007, 07:13 PM

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the secret to winning big at LHE is to suck out on people like crazy and hit quads a lot

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
yeah they may get me back for that one

Wolfram · #**472** 09-12-2007, 07:32 PM

Do you 4bet the river?
Villain seems aggro and decent but has spewed before (HU though)

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1474770

milesdyson · #**473** 09-12-2007, 07:45 PM

no and lol at his 3bet

Wolfram · #**474** 09-12-2007, 07:51 PM

Why aren't we 4betting though? Are we really not ahead of his range >50% of the time?

milesdyson · #**475** 09-12-2007, 07:57 PM

your line is a flush like 100% of the time and he doesn't care. you 3-bet the flop for a free card, the flush hit on the river, and you raised his bet.

Wolfram · #**476** 09-12-2007, 08:02 PM

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your line is a flush like 100% of the time and he doesn't care. you 3-bet the flop for a free card, the flush hit on the river, and you raised his bet.

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That was exactly my thought process during the hand. I just started wondering afterwards if I gave villain to much credit. I guess erring on the cautious side isn't that bad when it comes to 4 betting.

yourface · #**477** 09-12-2007, 08:10 PM

I'd cap given your read fwiw
the only hands that villain can have that beat you are 22/33 (which he probably raises preflop some of the time) and there are lots of worse flushes he could he spewing with. we only need to be ahead 51% of the time because he's never folding and we don't fear a reraise

edit: 22 and 33 will often cap the flop too

jr4284 · #**478** 09-12-2007, 08:18 PM

Whee!!!

Schneids just might be onto something with this "you can't bluff me" idea.

Villian is crazy LAG regular who just stand on the gas pedal and has an especially wide range from the button... I kind of have to play calling station against him on this board. 30/22 over 650 hands.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.16 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9c As (high card, ace).
Button has 9s 5s (high card, jack).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.16 BB. 

This one was (IMO) more borderline. Ignore the PF raise... was trying to isolate a bad player as the blinds were tight. Also early in session so I was still fostering an image. BB was 25/15 at the time. River A made this call easier... not sure if I make it otherwise.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 8d Jd (two pair, aces and eights).
Hero has Ks 8h (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB.

yourface · #**479** 09-12-2007, 08:41 PM

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Hand #2
PokerStars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO raises, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.00 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB folds, CO calls.

River: (10.00 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.00 BB

Results:

CO shows Ah, 7c (three of a kind, Sevens).
Hero mucks Ad, Js.
Outcome: CO wins 13.50 BB.
($2.00 Rake)


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neat turn play

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Hand #6
PokerStars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results:

Hero mucks Ah, 6h.
CO shows Kc, Qd (a straight, Ten to Ace).
Outcome: CO wins 11.00 BB.
($1.00 Rake)


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I'd raise the flop multiway

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Hand #10
PokerStars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (4.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (6.00 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.00 BB

Results:

SB shows Qs, Jd (a straight, Ten to Ace).
Hero mucks Kh, Js.
Outcome: SB wins 5.75 BB.
($1.00 Rake)


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I bet the river vs a lot of guys

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Hand #12
PokerStars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, MP folds, CO raises, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results:

Hero mucks Kc, 9s.
CO shows Ah, Kh (a straight, Ten to Ace).
Outcome: CO wins 11.00 BB.
($2.00 Rake)


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I thought turn was a clear 3bet but stove says you're right

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Hand #16
PokerStars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results:

Hero mucks Js, Jc.
UTG shows Jh, Qh (a straight, Eight to Queen).
Outcome: UTG wins 11.25 BB.
($2.00 Rake)


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you play good

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Hand #17
PokerStars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises, MP folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.00 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

River: (9.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.00 BB

Results:

Button shows Ac, 2h (a straight, Deuce to Six).
Hero mucks Js, Jh.
Outcome: Button wins 10.50 BB.
($2.00 Rake)


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I think b/f river is better

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Hand #20
PokerStars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: (3.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results:

CO mucks 6h, 6c.
Button shows Qh, Ks (a straight, Nine to King).
Outcome: Button wins 7.50 BB.
($1.00 Rake)


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why no river bet?

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Hand #21
PokerStars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.00 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (1.00 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (3.00 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 3.00 BB

Results:

Hero mucks 3c, Ts.
SB shows 8h, 8s (two pair, Jacks and Eights).
Outcome: SB wins 3.00 BB.
($0.00 Rake)


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I bet the flop here

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Hand #22
PokerStars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (12.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Results:

CO shows 9h, 6h (a straight, Six to Ten).
Hero mucks 4s, 4d.
Outcome: CO wins 14.25 BB.
($2.00 Rake)


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I raise pre

Wolfram · #**480** 09-12-2007, 08:48 PM

I just played 112 hands of HU vs this guy:

vpip: 80%
pfr: 5.3%

AF
pre: 0.05
flop: 1.13
turn: 2.36
river: 3.71

He would spew like crazy, make bad bluffs and couldn't hand read worth a damn. TPTK for him means capping every street, no matter what the board reads.

I had him close to all-in but then he comes back to win almost every hand. I end up losing 25 bets before I had to quit. His won at SD % ended up at 66%.

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