Updated Cliff Notes On Absolute Poker Scandal (18th October)

[Pokeraddict]

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Also thank you to Gian for posting and clearing up his background.

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Yes, great to see you Gian and thank you for dropping by.

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I don't really know the answers to those questions (re: NMY and NNN). I'm just saying that there are people who are really high up in this situation who will not let it get swept under the rug and will not be satisfied until major changes are made.

I am going to dinner, so I'll check back later.

[PartyGirlUK]

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I have spoken to a few people who are high up and are heavily involved in this situation.

I have reason to believe this will end well, at least from the perspective of cleaning things up. It might hurt poker in the short run, but I'm strictly speaking from the perspective of people getting paid back, management/ownership/licenses being cleaned up, etc.

That's just my current belief at the moment.

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If Absolute pays everyone back, then what? Do we just pretend like this never happened, how can anyone play at Absolute again after this?

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Them getting paid back is necessary but not sufficient. What is also needed is answers to questions such as the following

i) Who knew about these accounts? Who used them? How widespread is the abuse?

ii) Why did AP try to cover this up? Evidence is overwhelming that they knew about who was involved from the moment allegations surfaced, yet they released this bs official statement denying any wrongdoing. Who was behind this, and have they been fired yet?

And further every correct piece of [censored] involved in this mess needs to leave AP.

We need the investigators/auditors to be independent and respected and to be given FULL access.

And then once all the problems have been found we need the security flaws to be remedied.

If all this happens I would play on AP again.

[SL__72]

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I never checked this yesterday, but today, AP isn't listed on KGC's list of licensed sites:

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/permits.asp

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Absolute's site says the following:

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“Tokwiro Enterprises Enrg” is a recognized Mohawk owned and controlled, gaming sole proprietorship, presently undergoing a licencing process with the “Kahnawake Gaming Commission” (“KGC”), which was itself established on the 10th day of Ohiarí:ha/June, 1996.

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http://www.absolutepoker.com/media/aboutus.asp

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Ultimate Bet says the same thing on their site and they are still listed as licensed on KGC's site.

Plus, here is google's cached copy of the page:

[SL__72]

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I never checked this yesterday, but today, AP isn't listed on KGC's list of licensed sites:

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/permits.asp

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Interesting, I am 99% positive that they were there yesterday.

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I am 100% sure they where there yesterday together with ultimatepoker.com which is also missing. Ultimatebet.com is still there.

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Ultimatepoker.com isn't on google's cached version of the page while ultimatebet.com is. The cached page is from Sept. 7th.

[Another Shaggy]

This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/permits.asp as retrieved on 7 Sep 2007 20:21:00 GMT.

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I never checked this yesterday, but today, AP isn't listed on KGC's list of licensed sites:

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/permits.asp

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Interesting, I am 99% positive that they were there yesterday.

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I am 100% sure they where there yesterday together with ultimatepoker.com which is also missing. Ultimatebet.com is still there.

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Are there any Canadians that were entered into the tournament in question? Perhaps they should contact the RCMP as to me this is a case of fraud. Since the servers are on Canadian soil I would think that the RCMP would have some jurisdiction over the matter and may be able to seize and freeze and data that may help with the investigation overall.

[T-God]

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Sincerely,

Gian Perroni

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Nice spam, [censored]. You seem just as cool as the rest of your AP friends.

[0evg0]

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Sincerely,

Gian Perroni

some spam url - Make More Money!


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Nice spam, [censored]. You seem just as cool as the rest of your AP friends.

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Totally uncalled for.

[NoahSD]

Yeah, that was a really cool post by Gian. I'm not totally up to date with why we're interested in him, but he came off really well there.

Gian, I think the thing you could help us with is clarifying who worked for AP when.